Re: From the Archives .....

On 27/04/2024 08:03, Blueshirt wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:
 

On 26/04/2024 12:35, Blueshirt wrote:

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There is no official Doctor Who canon.

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Yes there is. William Hartnell is the first Doctor and there
are no incarnations of the Doctor before him. This is canon
set and reinforced by The Unearthly Child, The Tenth Planet,
Power of the Daleks, The War Games, Spearhead from Space, The
Three Doctors, Planet of the Spiders, Robot, The Brain of
Morbius, The Deadly Assassin, The Underworld, The Invasion of
Time, The Keeper of Traken, Logopolis, Mawdrin Undead, The
Five Doctors, The Caves of Androzani, Time and the Rani, the
TVM, The Family of Blood, The Next Doctor, The End of Time,
The Eleventh Hour, almost every single episode featuring the
11th Doctor onwards, The Name of the Doctor, The Night of the
Doctor, The Day of the Doctor, The Time of the Doctor, Listen,
and Twice Upon A Time.

 Twice Upon A Time? That's your idea of Doctor Who 'canon'?
 Well that's funny, as that is the episode where a male
incarnation of the Doctor regenerates into a female incarnation
of the Doctor. I'm glad to see you accept that.

Twice Upon A Time reaffirms that the 1st Doctor has never regenerated before ever. Whittaker is ejected from the TARDIS indicating that she is an imposter and not Capladi's successor. This metaphorically symbolizes the ultimate death of the Doctor and that everything after The Fall of the Doctor is a hallucination before the Doctor dies. That's why everything descends into complete and utter nonsense from Whittaker, to the Timeless Child monster, to Isaac Newton being Indian, to bigeneration, to a circus mallet causing the TARDIS to duplicate itself like in a cartoon.

 If the TV show is 'your' idea of what Doctor Who canon is, don't
forget to include episodes like The Woman Who Fell to Earth,
Spyfall, Fugitive of the Judoon, The Timeless Children (etc.)
They are all episodes of Doctor Who broadcast on BBC1. (You
watched them and gave us your thoughts of those episodes in
posts here.)

None of these episodes represent canon. They are not from Doctor Who but fan fiction depicting the Doctor's ruptured mind and the insanity of thw writers.

 So either there's a canon, or there's episodes you cherry pick
to suit yourself as to what 'counts'? Which would mean there's
no actual canon then. You can't have it both ways!
 

See above. The Doctor dies at the end of The Fall of the Doctor on the event horizon of a black hole, which as everyone knows freezes time and is impossible to escape from.

no official non-canon. BUT, if there was such a thing as
Doctor Who canon, the Fugitive Doctor would be considered
part of it!

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No they wouldn't as they would contradict all the above
episodes and ask for belief in a totally unbelievably
conspiracy theory which erases all Doctor Who continuity
entirely and replaces it with something completely different.

 You say contradict, I say overwritten...
 

You have got to be totally out of your mind and completely insane to believe such a conspiracy theory that defies all the laws of logic, reason, and story writing.

Doctor Who continuity is not one straight line where every
single thing fits! How can it be when it's a show about an alien
that can travel backwards and forwards through time?
 

If you are required to believe a totally degenerate and nonsensical conspiracy that erases everything you knew about the main protagonist and turns him into a completely different character then it is clear that the writer doesn't have a clue how to write and if you believe these lies then you mind has totally rotted.

No one in their right mind would believe such a thing, just
like no one in this group accepted War of the Daleks except
John Peel who write it, and the retcon of the entire series
required by the Timeless Child monster is infinitely worse
beyond measure.

 The War of the Daleks was a book, part of the expanded
universe. (A very poor book, but that's another discussion.) It
was not a television episode of Doctor Who. The Timeless
Children - and associated episodes - were. So clearly there is a
difference.

The Timeless Children is degenerate fan fiction and mind rot. It is not part of Doctor Who in any way, shape, or form. Everything from prior Doctor Who canon contradicts it and no one can be expected to believe it and erase everything that went before it.

 

Or they have watched Doctor Who in recent years and seen a
pre-Hartnell incarnation.

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There has never been a pre-Hartnell incarnation. William
Hartnell is the First and Original Doctor as stated in The
Five Doctors and is implicit in all of the above stories I
named.

 ... and overwritten years later as the show evolved.
 New producers, new ideas. What's the point in a TV show having a
showrunner if he can't make changes to the show he's running?!

A showrunner cannot change a show so that it's not long the show he started off with. Doctor Who ended in 2017. The degeneracy that came with Whittaker is not Doctor Who.

But you can believe in an alien that can change his face,

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Nothing wrong with that. Anyone could change their face with
plastic surgery, even before Doctor Who was even concieved.

 Their whole body and clothes at the same time? That's some
surgery!!!

Whittaker's clothes regenerating into those of Tennant is more evidence of the death of the Doctor at the end of The Doctor Falls after his mind has been obliterated. No one could possibly believe such a stupidity.

 

his gender, his skin colour, can travel around time and space

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We have never seen the Doctor change his gender ever,

 Twice Upon a Time (2017)
 

This does not show the Doctor changing gender. Whittaker is seen by the TARDIS as an imposter and promptly ejected. This symbolizes the Doctor's death in The Fall of the Doctor.

not his skin colour.

 The Giggle (2023)
 

We never saw the Doctor in the Giggle any more than we saw him in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. The Doctor has always been depicted as a British white heterosexual male character.

The only thing we have seen

 You don't seem to have seen much. Obviously you spend way too
much time reading the Target novels and not paying attention to
what's actually happening on-screen in proper episodes of Doctor
Who if you've never seen the above two changes happen.

There have been no proper episodes of Doctor Who since Twice Upon A Time.
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