Re: encapsulating directory operations

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Sujet : Re: encapsulating directory operations
De : wyniijj5 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (wij)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 07. Jun 2025, 19:43:25
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On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 18:31 +0200, Bonita Montero wrote:
Am 07.06.2025 um 13:58 schrieb wij:
 
C++ is no better, probably worse. Firstly, the term 'exception' (and
'vector' probably) is disabled in human mind to think about exception.
 
I deal with exceptions every day and I've no problems with that. C++
exceptions aren't that clean like Java exceptions, but still make much
less work than C return code handling.

The error from opendir(..):

       EACCES Permission denied.
       EBADF  fd is not a valid file descriptor opened for reading.
       EMFILE The  per-process limit on the number of open file descriptors has
              been reached.
       ENFILE The system-wide limit on the total number of open files has  been
              reached.
       ENOENT Directory does not exist, or name is an empty string.
       ENOMEM Insufficient memory to complete the operation.
       ENOTDIR name is not a directory.
       ...

Those are just common errors, there are actually more, and more from subsequent
read/write/.... File operations (particularily directory) are actually very nasty.

I think your 'less work' was from simplication or idealization, lots are
simplified and idealized. 
We have no problem is because our average programs don't need to handle those
individual errors, but C's major task is to build OS, not average applications.

C++ had been trying to HIDE error (exception) from its beginning, very wrong
and very unsuccessful.
 
Exceptions are the cleanest way of error handling. 

Conditional. As said 'simplified'.

In most cases you
deal with the error in a higher function and not in the leaf of the
call graph; therefore exceptions are perfect.

If you can handle errors that way, C can also do it in much simpler way.
The basic problem of throwing error is losing error context, it is similar
to set a global errno (or object) and cause the program to stack unwind.

C++ has many artificial fancy things and encourages such programming style.
Good or bad? Both, but I would say mostly bad.


Date Sujet#  Auteur
20 May 25 * encapsulating directory operations307Paul Edwards
20 May 25 +* Re: encapsulating directory operations83Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 May 25 i+* Re: encapsulating directory operations20Paul Edwards
21 May 25 ii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations19Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May 25 ii `* Re: encapsulating directory operations18Paul Edwards
21 May 25 ii  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations17Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 May 25 ii   +* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Paul Edwards
22 May 25 ii   i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
22 May 25 ii   i `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
22 May 25 ii   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations13James Kuyper
22 May 25 ii    `* Re: encapsulating directory operations12Lawrence D'Oliveiro
22 May 25 ii     `* Re: encapsulating directory operations11James Kuyper
22 May 25 ii      `* Re: encapsulating directory operations10Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 May 25 ii       `* Re: encapsulating directory operations9James Kuyper
23 May 25 ii        `* Re: encapsulating directory operations8Kaz Kylheku
23 May 25 ii         +* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Paul Edwards
23 May 25 ii         i+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
24 May 25 ii         i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 May 25 ii         `* Re: encapsulating directory operations4James Kuyper
23 May 25 ii          `* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Kaz Kylheku
24 May 25 ii           `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2James Kuyper
24 May 25 ii            `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
31 May 25 i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations62Bonita Montero
31 May 25 i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations61Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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1 Jun 25 i   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations59Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2 Jun 25 i    `* Re: encapsulating directory operations58Bonita Montero
3 Jun 25 i     +* Re: encapsulating directory operations2James Kuyper
3 Jun 25 i     i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
3 Jun 25 i     +* Re: encapsulating directory operations9Lawrence D'Oliveiro
10 Jun 25 i     i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations8Bonita Montero
10 Jun 25 i     i +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Bonita Montero
10 Jun 25 i     i +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Kaz Kylheku
11 Jun 25 i     i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations5Lawrence D'Oliveiro
11 Jun 25 i     i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations4Bonita Montero
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11 Jun 25 i     i   `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Bonita Montero
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7 Jun 25 i              `* Re: encapsulating directory operations37Bonita Montero
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8 Jun 25 i               i`* Re: encapsulating directory operations20Bonita Montero
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8 Jun 25 i               i i `* Re: encapsulating directory operations10Muttley
8 Jun 25 i               i i  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Bonita Montero
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8 Jun 25 i               i i  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Kaz Kylheku
10 Jun 25 i               i i  i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Tim Rentsch
8 Jun 25 i               i i  +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Bonita Montero
9 Jun 25 i               i i  +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1wij
9 Jun 25 i               i i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Muttley
9 Jun 25 i               i i   `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Bonita Montero
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8 Jun 25 i               i i  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Bonita Montero
8 Jun 25 i               i i   `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1wij
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9 Jun 25 i               i  `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Bonita Montero
7 Jun 25 i               `* Re: encapsulating directory operations14Janis Papanagnou
8 Jun 25 i                `* Re: encapsulating directory operations13Bonita Montero
8 Jun 25 i                 +- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Chris M. Thomasson
8 Jun 25 i                 `* Re: encapsulating directory operations11Bonita Montero
9 Jun 25 i                  +* Re: encapsulating directory operations8Bonita Montero
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9 Jun 25 i                  ii+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Bonita Montero
10 Jun 25 i                  ii+* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Muttley
10 Jun 25 i                  iii+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Muttley
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9 Jun 25 i                  i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Richard Heathfield
10 Jun 25 i                  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Tim Rentsch
10 Jun 25 i                   `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Bonita Montero
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20 May 25 ii+- Re: encapsulating directory operations1David Brown
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20 May 25 iii`* Re: encapsulating directory operations6Richard Heathfield
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20 May 25 iii i`- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
20 May 25 iii `* Re: encapsulating directory operations3Paul Edwards
20 May 25 iii  `* Re: encapsulating directory operations2Richard Heathfield
20 May 25 iii   `- Re: encapsulating directory operations1Paul Edwards
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