Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?

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Sujet : Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?
De : already5chosen (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (Michael S)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 16. Aug 2024, 10:38:10
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On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 02:18:15 -0700
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:

Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
[...]
IMHO, C++ is a particularly bad example.
Yes, C++ has call-by-reference misfeature. But arrays in C++ are
2nd class citizen, same as in C. They can't be assigned and can't be
passed to callee, neither by value nor by reference.
>
Also, I suspect that if you ask Ken Thompson, he will tell you that
C++ does not really have 'call by reference'. Instead, it has
references as 1st class object, so, naturally, values of references
can be used during 'call by value'.
I have enough of respect to KT to consider that his POV is not a
nonsense. 
 
Is that an attempt at proof by authority? 

Yes!

Not only does Ken Thompson
have very little to do with C++, but you're basing your conclusion on
what you *suspect* he would say.
 

Yes, but it's not baseless.
It is based on following section Go language FAQs that I assumed to be
either authored or approved by KT.
https://go.dev/doc/faq#pass_by_value



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6 Jul 24  `* Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?24Lawrence D'Oliveiro
6 Jul 24   +* Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?17Keith Thompson
6 Jul 24   i+- Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?1Janis Papanagnou
6 Jul 24   i`* Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?15Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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6 Jul 24   i +- Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?1Keith Thompson
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6 Jul 24   +- Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?1Janis Papanagnou
6 Jul 24   +- Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?1James Kuyper
6 Jul 24   `* Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?4bart
7 Jul 24    `* Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?3Keith Thompson
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