Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?

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Sujet : Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?
De : ben (at) *nospam* bsb.me.uk (Ben Bacarisse)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 09. Jul 2024, 18:22:56
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bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

On 09/07/2024 16:58, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
 
Arrays are passed by reference:
>
   void F(int a[20]) {}
>
   int main(void) {
     int x[20];
     F(x);
   }
This is the sort of thing that bad tutors say to students so that they
never learn C properly.  All parameter passing in C is by value.  All of
it.  You just have to know (a) what the syntax means and (b) what values
get passed.
>
The end result is that a parameter declared with value-array syntax is
passed using a reference rather than by value.
>
And it does so because the language says, not because the ABI requires
it. A 2-byte array is also passed by reference.

An address value is passed by value.  C has only one parameter passing
mechanism.  You can spin it as much as you like, but C's parameter
passing is simple to understand, provided learner tune out voices like
yours.

void F(int a[20]) ... declares a to be of type int *.  Feel free to rail
about that as much as you like but that is what that syntax means.
The x in F(x) is converted to a pointer to x[0] since the x is not an
operand of &, sizeof etc.  F(x) passes a pointer by value.  F receives a
pointer value in a.
 
Although the type of 'a' inside 'F' will be int* rather than
int(*)[20].
No.  a is of type int *.
>
And that is different 'int*' how, about from having an extra space which C
says is not signigicant in this context?

Sorry, I missed what you wrote.  I don't know why even brought up int
(*)[20] but I thought you were saying that was the type of a.

--
Ben.

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5 Jul 24 * Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?305BGB
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6 Jul 24  `* Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?24Lawrence D'Oliveiro
6 Jul 24   +* Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?17Keith Thompson
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6 Jul 24   i +- Re: technology discussion → does the world need a "new" C ?1Keith Thompson
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