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Sujet : Re: do { quit; } else { }
De : bc (at) *nospam* freeuk.com (bart)
Groupes : comp.lang.c
Date : 10. Apr 2025, 19:36:21
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On 10/04/2025 17:51, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2025-04-10, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

Do you agree with that? Or is there something more to making two types
be incompatible?
 Tim: two fingerprints from the left hand index finger are from different
humans if they are different.
 You: do you agree with this, or is there more that can make
two humans different?
 Struct compatibility is determined by tag and content.
This is more nuanced. There is two structs being the same type or not, which a compiler can determine if they are in the same translation unit; no need to analyse tags or anything to figure that out, it's either the exact same type or not.
And there is two structs in two translation units which have separate definitions, which the compiler cannot compare, and which have to be compatible for the program to be valid. But the compiler cannot check that.
The example was like this:
module A:     typedef struct point {float a; float b;} Point;
module B:     typedef float length;
               typedef struct _tag {length x, y;} vector;
David Brown said:  "The two types are entirely compatible."
I said:            "Are they?"
Tim Rentsch said:  "No, they are not."
So DB and TR are disagreeing, but everyone is ignoring the fact that one of them is likely wrong, and sending /me/ off to read the standard!
TR went on to say: "The type names 'Point' and 'vector' name two
distinct types, and those types are not compatible, because
the two struct tags are different."
That does rather sound like it is the tags that are the sole deciding factor, which is when I started doing experiments.
ATEOTD, to share such a type across two or more translation units, means each one seeing its own definition of it. Nothing stops you having somewhat different versions of it, as I had above, so this part has to be taken on trust. This was part of my broader point that sharing non-linkage named entities across modules in C was ad hoc.

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4 Apr 25 * do { quit; } else { }625Thiago Adams
4 Apr 25 +* Re: do { quit; } else { }2bart
4 Apr 25 i`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Thiago Adams
4 Apr 25 +* Re: do { quit; } else { }11Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 25 i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }3Thiago Adams
4 Apr 25 ii`* Re: do { quit; } else { }2Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 25 ii `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Chris M. Thomasson
4 Apr 25 i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }4Kaz Kylheku
4 Apr 25 ii+* Re: do { quit; } else { }2Thiago Adams
4 Apr 25 iii`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Thiago Adams
8 Apr 25 ii`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1candycanearter07
5 Apr 25 i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }3Janis Papanagnou
5 Apr 25 i +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Janis Papanagnou
6 Apr 25 i `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Michael S
4 Apr 25 +* Re: do { quit; } else { }608Tim Rentsch
4 Apr 25 i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }607Thiago Adams
6 Apr 25 i +* Re: do { quit; } else { }600Tim Rentsch
6 Apr 25 i i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }550Michael S
6 Apr 25 i ii`* Re: do { quit; } else { }549Tim Rentsch
6 Apr 25 i ii `* Re: do { quit; } else { }548Michael S
7 Apr 25 i ii  `* Re: do { quit; } else { }547Tim Rentsch
7 Apr 25 i ii   `* Re: do { quit; } else { }546Michael S
7 Apr 25 i ii    +* Re: do { quit; } else { }542bart
8 Apr 25 i ii    i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }541David Brown
8 Apr 25 i ii    i `* Re: do { quit; } else { }540bart
8 Apr 25 i ii    i  +* Re: do { quit; } else { }535David Brown
8 Apr 25 i ii    i  i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }534bart
8 Apr 25 i ii    i  i +* Re: do { quit; } else { }78Tim Rentsch
8 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }77bart
8 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i +* Re: do { quit; } else { }74Tim Rentsch
8 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }73bart
9 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i `* Re: do { quit; } else { }72Tim Rentsch
9 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i  `* Re: do { quit; } else { }71bart
9 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i   +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Chris M. Thomasson
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9 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i   `* Re: do { quit; } else { }68Tim Rentsch
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    +* Re: do { quit; } else { }63bart
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }61Kaz Kylheku
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii+* Re: do { quit; } else { }2Michael S
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    iii`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Kaz Kylheku
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii`* Re: do { quit; } else { }58bart
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii +* Re: do { quit; } else { }43Keith Thompson
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }39bart
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii+* Re: Endless complaints [was Re: do { quit; } else { }]16bart
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii iii+* Re: Endless complaints [was Re: do { quit; } else { }]14Janis Papanagnou
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11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii iiii +- Re: Endless complaints [was Re: do { quit; } else { }]1Keith Thompson
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii iiii +- Re: Endless complaints [was Re: do { quit; } else { }]1Kaz Kylheku
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii iiii `* Re: Endless complaints [was Re: do { quit; } else { }]10David Brown
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11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii iiii   i  +- Re: Endless complaints [was Re: do { quit; } else { }]1Janis Papanagnou
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11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    +* Re: do { quit; } else { }16Kaz Kylheku
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }2bart
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    ii`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Keith Thompson
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14 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    i      ii`* Re: do { quit; } else { }3David Brown
14 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    i      ii +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Kaz Kylheku
15 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    i      ii `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1James Kuyper
14 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    i      i`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1David Brown
14 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    i      `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Tim Rentsch
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii ii    `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Keith Thompson
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6 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii i `* Re: do { quit; } else { }2Keith Thompson
6 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii i  `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Tim Rentsch
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii `* Re: do { quit; } else { }14Kaz Kylheku
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  +* Re: do { quit; } else { }11bart
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }2Kaz Kylheku
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  ii`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1bart
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  i+* Re: do { quit; } else { }6Tim Rentsch
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  ii`* Re: do { quit; } else { }5Keith Thompson
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  ii `* Re: do { quit; } else { }4Tim Rentsch
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  ii  `* Re: do { quit; } else { }3Keith Thompson
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  ii   +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1bart
5 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  ii   `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Tim Rentsch
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  i+- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Keith Thompson
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  i`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Keith Thompson
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1bart
10 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    ii  `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Kaz Kylheku
11 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i i    i`- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Tim Rentsch
9 May 25 i ii    i  i i i    `* Re: do { quit; } else { }4Bonita Montero
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9 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Richard Damon
9 Apr 25 i ii    i  i i `- Re: do { quit; } else { }1David Brown
9 Apr 25 i ii    i  i `* Re: do { quit; } else { }455David Brown
8 Apr 25 i ii    i  +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1Tim Rentsch
9 Apr 25 i ii    i  `* Re: do { quit; } else { }3Ike Naar
8 Apr 25 i ii    `* Re: do { quit; } else { }3Tim Rentsch
6 Apr 25 i i`* Re: do { quit; } else { }49Michael S
7 May 25 i `* Re: do { quit; } else { }6Wuns Haerst
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6 Apr 25 +- Re: do { quit; } else { }1David Brown
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