Re: Other programming languages (Was: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?)

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Sujet : Re: Other programming languages (Was: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?)
De : 643-408-1753 (at) *nospam* kylheku.com (Kaz Kylheku)
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Date : 13. Sep 2024, 06:18:36
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On 2024-09-13, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13.09.2024 00:32, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:40:17 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
 
A lot of early C++ programs I've seen were just, umm, "enhanced" "C"
programs.
 
Given that C++ makes “virtual” optional instead of standard behaviour, I’d
say that C++ is in fact designed to be used that way.
>
There's different semantics with and without a 'virtual' specification.
>
Even if you want polymorphism (and have to use 'virtual') there's no
need to define it as _default_ (and "disable" it where unnecessary).

Thd development of C++ follows, or at least used to, a "don't pay for
what you don't use" principle: programs not using certain mechanisms
that have an implementation cost should not ideally bear the cost of
implementing them.

When a class doesn't use virtual functions, that class doesn't need the
"vtable" implementation mechanism. And even if functions are called
through pointers or references to the object, the dispatch is static.
That would not be the case with virtuals, because a class must be
suspected of being a base class.

This "don't pay for what you don't use" principle doesn't mean that
the language is designed to be used with a preference toward
the cheap choices.  It's just pragmatics. Programs do not all use all
available features, so why turn them on? A program which needs no
special features that have an implementation cost would then have to
verbiage to opt-out of all of them. Moreover, old programs would have to
be maintained to add more verbiage to opt out of newer hidden expenses
that have been made default.

We can imagine the "ls" program was designed such that a large number
of options were enabled at the same time, such that users
have to turn off what they don't need. It does not follow that just
because things are not that way (options sanely optional)
that doesn't imply that ls is designed to be used with no options.

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10 Sep 24 * Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?110ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
10 Sep 24 +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
10 Sep 24 i`- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1Keith Thompson
10 Sep 24 +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?2Janis Papanagnou
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10 Sep 24 +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?2Keith Thompson
11 Sep 24 i`- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
11 Sep 24 +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?2Kenny McCormack
11 Sep 24 i`- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
11 Sep 24 +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?97Bonita Montero
11 Sep 24 i+* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?3ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
11 Sep 24 ii`* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?2Bonita Montero
11 Sep 24 ii `- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
11 Sep 24 i+- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1Bart
11 Sep 24 i`* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?92Kenny McCormack
11 Sep 24 i `* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?91Bonita Montero
11 Sep 24 i  +- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1Kenny McCormack
11 Sep 24 i  +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?13ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
11 Sep 24 i  i`* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?12Keith Thompson
12 Sep 24 i  i `* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?11ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
12 Sep 24 i  i  +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?8Keith Thompson
12 Sep 24 i  i  i`* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?7ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
12 Sep 24 i  i  i `* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?6Kenny McCormack
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13 Sep 24 i     ii     `* Re: Other programming languages (Was: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?)9Lawrence D'Oliveiro
13 Sep 24 i     ii      +* Re: Other programming languages (Was: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?)3James Kuyper
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13 Sep 24 i     ii      i `- Re: Other programming languages (Was: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?)1Michael S
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13 Sep 24 i     ii      i+* Re: Other programming languages (Was: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?)2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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13 Sep 24 i     ii      i`- Re: Other programming languages (Was: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?)1Kaz Kylheku
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12 Sep 24 i     i`- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1Bonita Montero
12 Sep 24 i     +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?53Janis Papanagnou
12 Sep 24 i     i+* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?38Bart
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12 Sep 24 i     iii+- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1Bonita Montero
12 Sep 24 i     iii`* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?3Janis Papanagnou
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13 Sep 24 i     ii    i `* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?6Bonita Montero
13 Sep 24 i     ii    i  +* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?2Michael S
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18 Sep10:03 i     ii        i`* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?2Michael S
18 Sep14:09 i     ii        i `- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1Tim Rentsch
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12 Sep 24 i     i `* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?13Janis Papanagnou
12 Sep 24 i     i  `* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?12Bonita Montero
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12 Sep 24 i     i   i`- Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?1Bonita Montero
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13 Sep 24 i     i      `* Re: Command line globber/tokenizer library for C?6Michael S
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