www.softwarepreservation.org is less boring than Jeff Barnett (Re: Jeff Barnett might have a point, although he sounds boring)

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Sujet : www.softwarepreservation.org is less boring than Jeff Barnett (Re: Jeff Barnett might have a point, although he sounds boring)
De : janburse (at) *nospam* fastmail.fm (Mild Shock)
Groupes : comp.lang.prolog
Date : 28. Jun 2025, 00:27:56
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Hi,
Interrestingly Prolog nearly had a "Jazelle":
Meanwhile, in Oxford I made contact with Tim [Robinson]
from High Level Hardware, who had developed a microcoded
workstation called the Orion (there is a good Wikipedia
article on this machine). Tim wanted a Prolog system for
the Orion, so I gave him the Prolog-X reference
implementation. He microcoded it, and we reckoned
it would have amazing performance because of that.
However, several simultaneous events conspired to
halt the microcoded Prolog on the Orion.
https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/prolog
Derived from Prolog-X, so basically from ZIP.
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
 Jeff Barnet might have a point:
  > Fran's specialty was bring graph theory into computer development
 although he sounds boring. Prolog is very
weak when using graph theory to code generation.
Even Prolog Cafe is based on WAM, and not LLVM.
 WAM is linear code, LLVM sees code as graph
of blocks. Here is an example:
 entry:
   %cond = icmp eq i32 %x, 0
   br i1 %cond, label %if_zero, label %if_nonzero
 if_zero:
   ; do something
   br label %merge
 if_nonzero:
   ; do something else
   br label %merge
 merge:
   %val = phi i32 [0, %if_zero], [1, %if_nonzero]
   ret i32 %val
 Its not the AST of the source code, but the IR,
i.e. internal representation after some AST
processing.
 Today I was wrestling quite a number of hours,
to figure out whether liveness analysis can
be done in one pass. My Prolog system Dogelog
 Player uses two passes, so that assertz/1 is
a little slow. Maybe I implement a fast path
without the liveness analysis for the
 dynamic database, to speed it up.
 Bye
 Mild Shock schrieb:
Hi,
>
Back in the early days SUN was already talking
about Java on in CPU. Interestingly this happened:
>
The most prominent use of Jazelle DBX is by
manufacturers of mobile phones to increase the
execution speed of Java ME games and applications.
A Jazelle-aware Java virtual machine (JVM) will
attempt to run Java bytecode in hardware, while
returning to the software for more complicated,
or lesser-used bytecode operations. ARM claims that
approximately 95% of bytecode in typical program
usage ends up being directly processed in the hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle
>
So in the 90's we had first internet, and then
in the 00's we had mobile phones. The 10's had
big data and early deep leearning.
>
But Python is still slow as fuck in the 20's.
They should invent a CPU that can do Pantilope,
i.e. direct executon of Python.
>
Bye
 

Date Sujet#  Auteur
28 Jun00:26 * Jazelle DBX and ARM926EJ-S ~~> Pantilope5Mild Shock
28 Jun00:27 `* Jeff Barnett might have a point, although he sounds boring (Re: Jazelle DBX and ARM926EJ-S ~~> Pantilope)4Mild Shock
28 Jun00:27  `* www.softwarepreservation.org is less boring than Jeff Barnett (Re: Jeff Barnett might have a point, although he sounds boring)3Mild Shock
29 Jun12:05   `* Is SWI-Prolog backward oriented or forward oriented? (Was: www.softwarepreservation.org is less boring than Jeff Barnett)2Mild Shock
29 Jun12:13    `- Corr. Typo (Was: Is SWI-Prolog backward oriented or forward oriented?)1Mild Shock

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