Re: Intel's co-CEO claims retailers say Qualcomm-powered PCs have high return rates, points to new competitors with Arm chips coming in 2025

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :

On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :

On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

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Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.

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While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.

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Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.

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If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
to live without computers at all.

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If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.

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I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
is that big of a concern, even in Europe.

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In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
power to play a game every hour.

 
I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.

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If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.

Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
(Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
charging — of any kind).

I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
(except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
CPU).
 
And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)

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ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
sooner, all the better.

I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
times now) I'm not a game player.

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