Re: This FOSS Thang :-)

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Sujet : Re: This FOSS Thang :-)
De : recscuba_google (at) *nospam* huntzinger.com (-hh)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date : 19. Mar 2024, 21:36:53
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On 3/16/24 4:27 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 16-03-2024, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> a écrit :
And for those who want to defend their hours & hours spent twaddling
around with their gear to finally get something to work, if you consider
your time to do such things to not count as anything other than "free",
well I've got a lawn for you to mow...
 You really miss a lot of points.
Miss?
Nah, just more that they were being ignored as largely irrelevant.

First, if you don't want to spend hours
to configure Linux, you just don't. You can use it out of the box.
And who sells hardware with Linux OS preinstalled out of the box?
That alone takes some searching for the retailers, so that's even more touch labor time spent.

Then,
unlike Mac which needs to be done in Apple's way, with Linux you can, if
you want, change its behaviour to make it work as you want.
Like many, I'm fine 95% of the time with the Apple / Microsoft defaults on my systems.  Most instances of where I want to change anything it is a motivation to make the two systems closer to each other, not weird.
And sure, I know that I can invest the time in Linux to get it to mimic whichever, the point is that I'm already not generally spending any time now.

 It doesn't
require hours and hours of constant modifications but minutes from time
to time. And each minute invested is used times and times again, so I
really value my time and instead of keeping loosing time because of bad
design by others, I win time with having something that suits me.
Because those minutes & minutes of tweaking never add up?  Nope.
Plus you're implying that the work done by full time UI professionals is bad ... but do you have any credible citations for that?  Cite, please.

And
finely, you can use the time spend by others to start from something
almost ready to adapt it easily to your own needs.
That's an argument to go with whoever has the larger marketshare, as they've had the greatest amount of user UI feedback to optimize from.

There's a lot of
configuration files and ideas to help you improve your configuration
effortlessly.
Still isn't a zero amount of time ... which adds up the more you tweak.

So yes, I value my time and my confort. And you didn't gave me anything
to mow because your way would make me lost a lot of time and comfort.
Precisely the reason to trust professionals to be closer to offering a more optimal UI.

 When I do something it's useful for a really long time. For example,
When I started to learn about tilling Windows Managers, it was with
wmii. Then I was able to use a lot of its configuration to switch to
i3wm. And then, it was the same with swaywm. So with the lot of
similarities between the WM, I used the same shortcuts and I didn't need
to learn anything new. For a very few time invested during the years.
Unlike Windows, which changed everything with each upgrade and I needed
a few months to find my way out each time.
Which for users who don't need to know how to program tiling, but just use the UI, this is relevant...how?
-hh

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