Re: This FOSS Thang :-)

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Sujet : Re: This FOSS Thang :-)
De : recscuba_google (at) *nospam* huntzinger.com (-hh)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date : 21. Mar 2024, 01:28:13
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On 3/20/24 6:31 AM, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
 
Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
You really miss a lot of points.
>
Miss?
Nah, just more that they were being ignored as largely irrelevant.
 To you.  Not to many.
Only because a 3% Marketshare of a couple of billion IT users is "many".   That in of itself does not make it meaningful within that marketplace, as illustrated by still having such a small marketshare (especially when one subtracts out ChromeOS systems used in public K-12 schools).

First, if you don't want to spend hours
to configure Linux, you just don't. You can use it out of the box.
>
And who sells hardware with Linux OS preinstalled out of the box?
 Goal post shift.
No, just a customer preference that's being clearly articulated.  Some folks are disinclined to spend many hours to comb through Newegg for every last option for a DIY build ... sound familiar to you?  It should.

That alone takes some searching for the retailers, so that's even more
touch labor time spent.
 Gosh, you might have to google.
Lower powered Chromebooks are reasonably easy to find, but other flavors of Linux are less so.  For example, I've used Ubuntu and found it to be pretty unfriendly, so HP's turnkey towers aren't a good choice for me. So do you care to ... can you? ... find who's selling a PC with Mint?

Then,
unlike Mac which needs to be done in Apple's way, with Linux you can, if
you want, change its behaviour to make it work as you want.
>
Like many, I'm fine 95% of the time with the Apple / Microsoft defaults
on my systems.
 Good for you.
It certainly is.  I have ample other priorities in life to worry about, such as how to keep on reminding BMW drivers that they're inferior /s

It doesn't
require hours and hours of constant modifications but minutes from time
to time. And each minute invested is used times and times again, so I
really value my time and instead of keeping loosing time because of bad
design by others, I win time with having something that suits me.
>
Because those minutes & minutes of tweaking never add up?  Nope.
 Missing the point that optimizations save time in the long run?  Yeap.
Only if they provide a tangible productivity gain. Got substantiation?

Plus you're implying that the work done by full time UI professionals is
bad ... but do you have any credible citations for that?  Cite, please.
 One-size-fits-all designs can be optimal for all users, from toddlers
to experts...  but do you have any credible citations for that?  Cite,
please.
Standardization of UIs has long been known as a significant enhancer to productivity and output quality; some systematic generalizable research studies have indicated gains can be on the order of +50% and +40% respectively.
<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328078788_Productivity_gains_through_standardization-of-work_in_a_manufacturing_company>
<https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/JMTM-07-2017-0151/full/html>

And
finely, you can use the time spend by others to start from something
almost ready to adapt it easily to your own needs.
>
That's an argument to go with whoever has the larger marketshare, as
they've had the greatest amount of user UI feedback to optimize from.
 Bad logic.  We've all seen how wrong that can go.
There's always exceptions to a general case.  Doesn't mean that the tail then wags the dog, though.

There's a lot of
configuration files and ideas to help you improve your configuration
effortlessly.
>
Still isn't a zero amount of time ... which adds up the more you tweak.
 Still denying the point that "tweaks" SAVE time.
Nope.  Just pointing out that said "tweaks" still take time to do, even before we note that they can also be done  wrong, which backfires on us:   care to acknowledge that, or are you going to try to suggest that you're a perfect being who never makes mistakes?

So yes, I value my time and my confort. And you didn't gave me anything
to mow because your way would make me lost a lot of time and comfort.
>
Precisely the reason to trust professionals to be closer to offering a
more optimal UI.
 Idiot.  See above.
Indeed, for the classical chrisv signature is "Idiot".

Response to be deleted, unread.
>
chrisv crying harder is unproductive for him too.
-hh

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