Re: 🏳️‍🌈p.s.: Linux build speed🏳️‍🌈

On Sun, 5 May 2024 01:37:13 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; vallor
<vallor@cultnix.org> determined that the following was of great
importance to vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> and subsequently decided to
freely share it with us in <v16ns9$1fto9$1@dont-email.me>:
  =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Sat, 04 May 2024 23:52:46 +0000,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= 🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= 🌺🌈 <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in
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=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Sat, 4 May 2024 22:49:22 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; vallor
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <vallor@cultnix.org> determined that the following was of great
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= importance to vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> and subsequently decided to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= freely share it with us in <v16e1i$1e3ds$3@dont-email.me>: Are you
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= trying to be a usenet newsgroup gatekeeping Edgelord again?
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=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= No.  Would be wonderful if you'd talk more about Linux,
 Pay me, then.
 =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and less about
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= me.  Up to you, of course.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= I've been using Linux since 1996 and before that it was
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= VAX/Ultrix/SparcOS/SunOs.  Not much DOS.  Just Apple ][e/][GS.  I
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= whitehat hacked some Novell in high school.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Our high school computer lab had Apple ][+'s connected to a Corvus hard
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= drive, a whopping 20MB of storage.  The OS had a fundamental insecurity
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= that was a bit of a bother:  one could type "CATALOG V###" to change to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= someone else's volume.  I patched the Corvus DOS 3.3 RWTS routine to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= reset the computer if people tried that trick.  This turned into a bit
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= of an "arms race", where I think those involved learned more about
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= computing than the Pascal programs we were writing for AP Computer
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Science.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= This has nothing to do with Linux, of course.  Are you satisfied?
 Are you talking to me or yourself?
 =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= One thing I can tell you about straying away from distro-supplied
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= kernels is that you're eventually going to break something
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= I didn't realize you were a soothsayer.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= I'm not doing anything I haven't done for many years previous to running
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Mint.  (There was a bit of a hiatus when I started running Mint, but
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= now the "bug" has bit me again.)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= The only difference between then and now is that I'm posting more about
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= building kernels and running them.  I've been scanning the patches and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= reading the release notes, which more often than not I used to forgo.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= (Linus has a policy of not changing syscalls without very good reason
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= because he doesn't like to break userspace.)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and possibly brick your system pretty well when some low level driver
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= compiles but doesn't catch all of its proper dependencies and linking
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= library versions and nobody has caught it because 97% of the user base
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= went through the documented distro upgrade paths and testing phases
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= whereas you like to "live dangerously".
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= (That was a long sentence, and I'm not sure I understand it...)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Low-level drivers aren't linked against userspace libraries.  Probably
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= the biggest issue would be the version of gcc I'm using (11) -- but if
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= a kernel doesn't boot, I can use grub to boot an earlier kernel. (I'd
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= like to build with "-march=native" at some point, but that's slightly
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= outside of my comfort zone right now.)
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Hope you have good and recent backups.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Yes, I have Timeshift keeping backups on a separate drive, and that gets
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= backed up to the NAS.  Protip: Timeshift doesn't back up one's home
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= directory, so I have a cron job that rsyncs /home to the NAS.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= I will note that the biggest issue I've had with Linux itself was with
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= btrfs, which I once used for my / partition.  It got itself into a
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= state where it couldn't be repaired.  Someday I may try it again -- say
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= in five years?  (Beats me.)
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 I wouldn't waste my time.  Whatever is the default fs for your distro for / is what you should use and xfs is all that anyone needs for extremely large volumes who demands reliability, last I heard.
 I don't use Linux as a "playground" though, I use it to solve real-world mission-critical stuff that operates 24/7/365.
 You and Snit can have a Snit-off, IDC.