Re: Another FOSS Gem

On 19 May 2024 11:22:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
wrote:

Le 19-05-2024, Sebastian <sebastian@here.com.invalid> a écrit :

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Red Hat is the main company in the Linux community insisting that everything
has to change in order to make Linux "modern."

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They should start by providing up to date distros instead of obsolete by
design distros. Then I could start considering this claim seriously.
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Systemd was from them, and
they also have a hand in Wayland, and usrmerge was their idea. They also have
radical ideas that haven't been forced on the entire Linux community (yet),
such as read-only rootfs, and image-based updates.

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Their radical ideas haven't been forced on the entire Linux community.
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For a start, when Poettering came with the idea of systemd, Red Hat, his
employer at the time told him it was bad. And so Poettering did it on
his own time and came back to his employer with the working product. And
only at this time did Red Hat decided to use it. And the other distros
decided to use it because it was good. Ubuntu tried to remove SysVInit
with upstart and were happy to switch to systemd when it was possible.
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For the archlinux community, the reasons are listed there:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4lzxs3/comment/d3rhxlc/?context=3>
It was not imposed by Read Hat it was a welcome change.
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So stop believing the crap displayed by FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever and learn
what you are talking. Systemd wasn't a Red Hat idea and systemd wasn't
forced on any distro, it was happily embraced by the distros.

Thank you for this history lesson.

They always export their radical ideas to all other distros,

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Nonsense. They never imposed anything. Other embraced their ideas or not
but there is no imposition.
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and if this extends to small details like the availability of
newsreaders, I'd expect to see them vanish from Debian and other
distros before too long.

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Nonsense. Once again. There is no relation between a radical idea and
the availability of a newsreader in the list of packages. If there is no
more use for a package, nobody will want to take care of it and it will
be removed. It's just that simple. And as usenet is a dying media, there
will be less and less use for a newsreader. There is no such thing as
Red Hat telling other distros which packages they must manage and which
one they shouldn't.

Usenet readers are likely of little interest to people nowadays who
have not only become accustomed to censorship, but embraced it and the
values stemming from it. I can't stand these people. Usenet 4 life.