Sujet : Re: Do Microsoft?sCopilot+ PCs Require Linux?
De : andrzej (at) *nospam* matu.ch (Andrzej Matuch)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.advocacyDate : 24. May 2024, 02:06:47
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On 2024-05-23 7:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2024-05-23, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
On 2024-05-23 5:51 p.m., Tyrone wrote:
On May 23, 2024 at 3:19:39 PM EDT, "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
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Windows is a *type of* monopoly, in that only M$ controls it, but it
is used as a general OS.
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There is no such thing as "a type of monopoly". Either you are or you are
not. The legal definition is very clear.
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You can't have a monopoly on your own product. If that were the case then
Harley Davidson has a "monopoly" on Sportsters and McDonalds has a "monopoly"
on Big Macs.
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But that's not how it works. Monopolies exist is markets. Not products. There
is plenty of competition in motorcycles and hamburgers. Apple can not have a
"monopoly" on iPhones for the same reason.
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For what it's worth, I'm probably part of the minority which actually
liked Windows Phones. It lacked decent music playing software, but using
it was rather nice before my in-call mic died.
Microsoft had a chance in the business sector with their Windows phones.
They were rolling these out where my brother worked, but found out they
didn't integrate with the company's voice mail system. Microsoft insisted
that it be done their way, when the industry standard was already set
differently. By the time Microsoft decided to accept the industry standard
it was too late. The rollouts had stopped and business had returned their
Windows phones. Microsoft's near monopoly in its OS, and its own hubris
because of this, worked against them in this market.
It's part of what I was saying about Microsoft not having an interest in replacing the Windows core with the Linux kernel. Microsoft has no interest in using a superior kernel as long as they have one that's good enough to offer the world which is simultaneously under their complete control. By using Linux, they're handing over control. They won't do that.
But macOS isn't really less so, it just
isn't seen as a "monopoly" because of lower market share, but what's
the difference? It's a proprietary OS. I can't run native Mac
software without a Mac, unless I have some kind of emulation scheme.
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You can't run native Linux software without Linux either, unless you have some
kind of emulation scheme. Is Linux a "monopoly"?
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Proprietary has nothing to do with being a monopoly. Monopoly means you have
97% of the market and are actively buying up/shutting down competitors.
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This is something Microsoft was actively doing in the late 90s. It is
still buying up game studios and smaller software companies, so it
hasn't changed all that much.
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Having a successful product does not make you a monopoly. Hell, people are
trying to claim that Apple is a monopoly with 25% of the phone market! That
is impossible. There is TONS of competition in the phone market.
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Hint: U.S. anti-trust laws are in place to protect consumers. Not competitors.
Epic Games and Spotify whining about Apple means nothing. No one is forcing
either to support Apple. If you don't like the terms of the contracts you sign
with Apple, then you are free to tell Apple to Fuck Off and not sign the
contracts.
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If enough companies did this, Apple might change their ways. But whining to
lawyers is going to go nowhere. As the judge in the Apple/Epic case famously
said, "Being successful is not against the law".
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Spotify can whine all that it wants but both Apple Music and YouTube
Music has better offerings. Apple gives you the best interface and sound
quality whereas YouTube Music offers the added benefit of blocking ads
on YouTube.
I didn't know Spotify was whining. Last I saw they had over twice the market
share of both Apple and Amazon.
Probably because some people think that Apple Music also requires Apple hardware. Even without Apple hardware, the sound quality is superior as is the selection.
Epic DID win the right to advertise alternate ways to pay for their products
on iPhones, BTW. The 30% commission that both Google and Apple charge to pay
to use their payment system is gouging. It's going to end up hurting both
companies as more and more app makers will opt out of their payment system.
They won _something_, but time will tell whether this will have any kind of positive impact on Epic's business or any negative one on Apple's.
-- Andrzej (Andre) MatuchTG: @AndrzejMatuchCatholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.
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