Re: "give me liberty or give me death" -- Ukraine

On 2024-05-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

On 2024-05-30 11:19 p.m., RonB wrote:

On 2024-05-30, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

On 2024-05-30 7:13 a.m., RonB wrote:

On 2024-05-29, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

On 2024-05-29 12:17 p.m., Relf wrote:

"give me liberty or give me death" -- Ukraine

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It looks like Russia has chosen to give them the latter.

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I guess the Ukrainians wanted "liberty" to kill their Russian speaking
countrymen more than they wanted peace. Just a lot of wannabe neo-Nazi
thugs. It's too bad, though, that the non-Nazi Ukrainians are caught in the
middle of this, losing their lives for a drug-addicted "comedian" and his
cadre of boot-lickers.

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I've heard that Poland now wants a chunk of Ukraine, as it was
traditionally Polish territory. It actually pains me to imagine this to
be a fact.

 
And then they can give back to Germany the part given to them by the Soviets
after World War II. (Not likely to happen.)
 
I don't think Russia would object to Poland taking what was traditionally
theirs. This is not the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine. I'm also guessing
that Romania and Hungary (or Slovakia?) would be able to get back their
traditional territories taken from them by the Soviet government and given
to Ukraine.

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If I were in a position of any kind of authority in Poland, I would
actually negotiate with Russia in an effort to gain that territory,
inexpensive oil and free trade in exchange for turning a blind eye to
what they're doing in Ukraine or even helping them out. I wouldn't mind
severing ties with the Americans because the US has no bargaining chip
of any worth to my country. American values are contrary to Polish ones,
they clearly have no respect for democracy, their education system is
ineffective and prefers to propagandize rather than educate, and they
built military bases on my territory. At the very least, Russians share
a culture and genes with my people. I can work with that.

Unfortunately there is a long history of mistrust between these two
countries. But Putin has already hinted that he wouldn't object to the Poles
taking back their traditional chunk of Ukraine.

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