Re: Where Are The Computer Companies?

On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 21:17:25 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
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vallor wrote:

On 4 Jun 2025 03:30:11 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 00:08:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>

When people think “Unix” nowadays, they really mean a Linux or BSD
system. That’s what works they way they expect a “Unix” system to
work.
Not Apple.

>
I think AIX. It's System V with tweaks. Back in the early '80s we have
something that looked a lot like Unix running on a PDP-11 but it
couldn't have been Unix since you couldn't really buy Unix.
>
Unix always was a mine field, as SCO found out when their principal
product was lawsuits.

 
Insert here boilerplate that I should save as a FAQ:
 
UNIX® is a registered trademark of The Open Group.
 
https://unix.org/trademark.html
 
The trademark is capitalized.  The lower-case usage is generic.
 
LINUX, for all intents and purposes, is a Unix.  So is BSD.
 
MacOS is UNIX®.  We've had a Mac mini, and iMac, and now a Mac Studio.
I ssh into it remotely to fiddle, and it has a better-than-POSIX shell
environment.  When I need to get at GUI apps, I vnc into it, which can
be enabled in MacOS as "screen sharing".
 
The GUI interface is based on Cocoa from NeXTStep, which also has a lot
of components available in GNUStep on Linux.
(Indeed, my Linux desktop runs Cairo dock, which looks and acts like
the MacOS dock.)  The display server is integrated into the window
manager -- much like Wayland's architecture.
I suspect this is why there's the "!APPLE" config flag that Lawrence is
harping on -- by default, MacOS doesn't have an X11 display server.
 
Penultimately, Apple does contribute to the open source community.
CUPS, for example, is maintained by Apple, and is what makes Linux
printing so easy.
 
And finally:  I once bought a car in the 00's that came with an iPod.
So when Underworld was having an "exclusive" concert online only for
Apple devices, I was able to get a shell on the iPod and find the URL
for the concert -- then played it using mplayer on my Linux box.  In
this way (at least at the time), iOS is to MacOS what Android is to
Linux -- both exercises in embedded Unix.
 

are you going to dedicate your head to science

I don't know -- think I could sell it a-head of time
to the highest bidder?

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