Re: The joy of Democracy

On 25/10/2024 09:59, D wrote:

  On Thu, 24 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
 

On 2024-10-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Wed, 23 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
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On 2024-10-23, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
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On 2024-10-22, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

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In that sense the companies themselves have gone 'socialist' in that, like
Marx, they regard economics as a zero sum game.

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Incorrect. By design they do what they do, and whether the economy is
zero sum (it is not) or not, does not really apply. That is why todays
crypto-socialist government is so extremely dangerous. It subverts and
distorts the markets, just by existing.

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As opposed to large corporations subverting and distorting the markets,
as God intended.

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They do it with the help of the governments. By themselves, per
definition, they are not able to over time.
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That is, it isn't about creating more wealth, it's about who gets to own
what there is left.

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True.

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I.e., a zero-sum game.

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No, it is not, and that is proven by economics. The proof is that we are
8.2 billion people on the planet and we've never had it better.

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FSVO "we".
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If economy was zero sum, we'd be dead by now.

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Give it time...

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Exactly. No proof, so far.

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"So far, so good," the man falling past the 5th floor of the
Empire State building was heard to say.

 That's nonsense and you know it.

Well no, it isn't.
Civilisations have fallen through no apparent fault of their own.
Egypt's soldiered on nearly 3000 years before vanishing under Rome and then falling victim to Islam.
But I reiterate, of course no economy is actually a zero sum game nor has been since we invented agriculture.
It is just that Marxism is steeped in the ethics of the hunter-gatherer political structure (no one owns anything: All property is common) and economics, and that *is* a zero sum game.  If you kill the game and pick the fruit, the next door tribe can't.
The fact that the conditions where all this worked ceased to exist 5000 years ago doesn't deter the nostalgia of the True Marxist from trying to turn the clock of civilisation back that far.
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