Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024, Peter Flass wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:33:03 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
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We will descend into near barbarism under Islam ...

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Just a note that Islam played its part in propagating the culture of
learning inherited from the ancient Greeks, back when the Christians’ idea
of “learning” was making elaborately-illuminated copies of their holy
books.
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Yes, they used to have an actual civilization,  but they apparently trashed
it somewhere along the line. I’m still not impressed with the nouveau riche
middle eastern countries. They have essentially the Trump version of
culture. Talk to me when the have art and music, and science that isn’t
derivative.

For flourishing science, they need freedom of speech, thoughts and ideas. Once they dump religion and the crazy men who adhere to it, and lighten up on the authoritarianism, I'm sure it will come.
At the moment, the people who enjoy that scientific climate are to be found in the universities in the west.
That's why authoritarians only can steal what they need, since they cannot develop it themselves, with the societies they create.