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On 29/12/2024 10:53, D wrote:Yes, many mathematicians seem to find meaning in their numbers and are naturally drawn to some kind of idealism.On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:>
On 28/12/2024 11:08, D wrote:How come you are so wise on the ways of the occult? Has it always been an interest of yours?On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Oh yes. And the Cermoinial Magickians. And and and...
On 27/12/2024 23:12, D wrote:I'm not convinced that Gardnerian wicca represents an unbroken tradition. But... who knows? ;) I've heard that this can give rise to bitter fights among wiccans.On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I am not going to argue: merely to say that modern Wicca started with Gardner who claimed to have been initiated by IIRC a Scottish witch in the practices of the 'old religion' .
On 23/12/2024 21:14, D wrote:I do not believe in any unbroken tradition except among indians, esquimaux or some siberian indians.I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that remains of paganism were alive until the 1700s, but cannot find anything through a quick google. My friendly neighbourhood AI insist on official death in the 12:th century.This is a subject of heated debate as modern Wiccan/Pagans like to feel they have an unbroken tradition.
But of course people probably learned to keep their mouths shit and rub themselves with witches ointment in private...
I do believe that it is not impossible that remains existed up until the 17th or perhaps even 18th century, although those remains probably were _very_ different from the original.
And started the modern following...
More in fighting in Wicca than the average private school girls toilets...
Or the average religious sect. The exclusive Plymouth brethren simply will not talk to the ordinary Plymouth brethren etc. etc.
Oh yes. After I discarded rational materialism I went looking at all the other 'models of reality'.
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Religions , cults, conspiracy theories and the like.
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Some grains in there that are interesting, but mostly dross.
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Numerology is interesting. The *quality* of numbers, not their quantity.
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In the classic Jewish system, it all starts with nothing (0), and then there is something (1)
Adding a second dimension gives the idea of distance (2) , and cubic space is (3), whereas time is (4).
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All done with 'emanations'. Broadly speaking, emergent properties...
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The Jewish Kabbalistic system is actually the sort of mental maps that became science.
It was all dredged up and reinvented in the 1930s by Crowley and associates.This is the truth! The era of eclecticism and spiritual conmen. ;) I read a biography of Austin Osman Spare and he labeled Crowly & Co as "bored, dandys in whorehouses" or something like that, describing their sexual magic.
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