Re: VMS

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Sujet : Re: VMS
De : c186282 (at) *nospam* nnada.net (c186282)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 21. Jun 2025, 08:07:26
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On 6/21/25 2:57 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 10:12:28 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
 
Although they didn't *invent* stack based temporary variables I was
totally impressed when I discovered how they worked.
 ALGOL 60 had that worked out years earlier. The implementors even figured
out how to declare one routine inside another, such that the inner one
could access the outer one’s locals.
 C never had that, even to this day†. Even after Pascal showed how to
implement the same idea.
 †Not officially. But GNU C does. (Oddly, GNU C++ does not.)
   Bright minds everywhere, even WAY back (ESPECIALLY
   way back ?).
   Early ALGOL wasn't really intended to be a practical
   language alas ... more a 'demonstration of principle'.
   Algol-68 ... which you CAN get for Linux ... was much
   better.
   Ok ok ... 'better' is relative here  :-)
   In early CPUs there was often limited EZ stack space.
   This was a limitation in passing lots of stuff back
   and forth using the stack. A few pointers yes, but
   like full strings and arrays ..........
   Seems like some of the most clever stuff comes from
   environments were resources are very limited/slow.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
14 Jun 25 * Re: VMS117Bobbie Sellers
14 Jun 25 +* Re: VMS108Andreas Eder
15 Jun 25 i`* Re: VMS107Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Jun 25 i +* Re: VMS11rbowman
15 Jun 25 i i`* Re: VMS10c186282
15 Jun 25 i i +* Re: VMS5The Natural Philosopher
16 Jun 25 i i i`* Re: VMS4c186282
18 Jun 25 i i i `* Re: VMS3c186282
18 Jun 25 i i i  `* Re: VMS2rbowman
18 Jun 25 i i i   `- Re: VMS1c186282
15 Jun 25 i i `* Re: VMS4rbowman
16 Jun 25 i i  `* Re: VMS3c186282
16 Jun 25 i i   `* Re: VMS2rbowman
16 Jun 25 i i    `- Re: VMS1c186282
15 Jun 25 i `* Re: VMS95c186282
18 Jun 25 i  `* Re: VMS94candycanearter07
18 Jun 25 i   `* Re: VMS93c186282
18 Jun 25 i    +* Re: VMS3candycanearter07
18 Jun 25 i    i`* Re: VMS2Rich
19 Jun 25 i    i `- Re: VMS1rbowman
19 Jun 25 i    `* Re: VMS89Richard Kettlewell
20 Jun 25 i     +* Re: VMS86c186282
20 Jun 25 i     i+* Re: VMS77Richard Kettlewell
20 Jun 25 i     ii+* Re: VMS74The Natural Philosopher
20 Jun 25 i     iii+- Re: VMS1Richard Kettlewell
20 Jun 25 i     iii+* Re: VMS71Rich
20 Jun 25 i     iiii+* Re: VMS65The Natural Philosopher
21 Jun 25 i     iiiii`* Re: VMS64Rich
21 Jun 25 i     iiiii +- Re: VMS1The Natural Philosopher
21 Jun 25 i     iiiii `* Re: VMS62rbowman
21 Jun 25 i     iiiii  `* Re: VMS61Robert Riches
21 Jun 25 i     iiiii   +- Re: VMS1c186282
21 Jun 25 i     iiiii   +- Re: VMS1rbowman
22 Jun 25 i     iiiii   `* Re: VMS58candycanearter07
22 Jun 25 i     iiiii    +* Re: VMS3Richard Kettlewell
22 Jun 25 i     iiiii    i`* Re: VMS2The Natural Philosopher
23 Jun 25 i     iiiii    i `- Re: VMS1c186282
22 Jun 25 i     iiiii    +* Re: VMS3rbowman
23 Jun 25 i     iiiii    i`* Re: VMS2candycanearter07
23 Jun 25 i     iiiii    i `- Re: VMS1rbowman
24 Jun 25 i     iiiii    +* Re: VMS50Robert Riches
24 Jun 25 i     iiiii    i+* Re: VMS6rbowman
24 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii`* Re: VMS5rbowman
24 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii `* Re: VMS4The Natural Philosopher
25 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii  `* Re: VMS3c186282
25 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii   `* Re: VMS2The Natural Philosopher
25 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii    `- Re: VMS1c186282
24 Jun 25 i     iiiii    i+* Re: VMS7Richard Kettlewell
25 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii`* Re: VMS6Robert Riches
25 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii `* Re: VMS5c186282
25 Jun 25 i     iiiii    ii  +- Re: VMS1rbowman
25 Jun17:32 i     iiiii    ii  `* Re: VMS3John Ames
25 Jun17:44 i     iiiii    ii   `* Re: VMS2John Ames
26 Jun00:01 i     iiiii    ii    `- Re: VMS1c186282
27 Jun07:00 i     iiiii    i`* Re: VMS36candycanearter07
27 Jun08:37 i     iiiii    i `* Re: VMS35Richard Kettlewell
27 Jun08:45 i     iiiii    i  +* Re: VMS4The Natural Philosopher
27 Jun18:27 i     iiiii    i  i`* Re: VMS3c186282
27 Jun19:13 i     iiiii    i  i `* Re: VMS2The Natural Philosopher
28 Jun14:16 i     iiiii    i  i  `- Re: VMS1Chris Ahlstrom
27 Jun18:24 i     iiiii    i  `* Re: VMS30c186282
27 Jun18:40 i     iiiii    i   `* Re: VMS29rbowman
27 Jun19:20 i     iiiii    i    +* Re: VMS4Lew Pitcher
28 Jun00:03 i     iiiii    i    i`* Re: VMS3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Jun06:13 i     iiiii    i    i `* Re: VMS2c186282
28 Jun07:10 i     iiiii    i    i  `- Re: VMS1rbowman
27 Jun23:16 i     iiiii    i    `* Re: VMS24c186282
28 Jun08:52 i     iiiii    i     `* Re: VMS23Richard Kettlewell
29 Jun04:16 i     iiiii    i      `* Re: VMS22c186282
29 Jun08:18 i     iiiii    i       `* Re: VMS21Richard Kettlewell
30 Jun00:09 i     iiiii    i        `* Re: VMS20c186282
30 Jun08:36 i     iiiii    i         +* Re: VMS18The Natural Philosopher
30 Jun08:51 i     iiiii    i         i+* Re: VMS12Richard Kettlewell
30 Jun08:59 i     iiiii    i         ii+* Re: VMS3The Natural Philosopher
30 Jun09:33 i     iiiii    i         iii`* Re: VMS2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Jun17:08 i     iiiii    i         iii `- Re: VMS1John Ames
30 Jun09:00 i     iiiii    i         ii+* Re: VMS4Richard Kettlewell
30 Jun09:24 i     iiiii    i         iii`* Re: VMS3The Natural Philosopher
30 Jun09:34 i     iiiii    i         iii `* Re: VMS2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
1 Jul04:30 i     iiiii    i         iii  `- Re: VMS1c186282
1 Jul04:26 i     iiiii    i         ii`* Re: VMS4c186282
1 Jul10:49 i     iiiii    i         ii `* Re: VMS3The Natural Philosopher
1 Jul13:44 i     iiiii    i         ii  `* Re: VMS2Lew Pitcher
2 Jul02:46 i     iiiii    i         ii   `- Re: VMS1c186282
30 Jun08:54 i     iiiii    i         i+* Re: VMS2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Jun19:10 i     iiiii    i         ii`- Re: VMS1rbowman
1 Jul04:12 i     iiiii    i         i`* Re: VMS3c186282
1 Jul05:02 i     iiiii    i         i `* Re: VMS2rbowman
1 Jul17:42 i     iiiii    i         i  `- Re: VMS1c186282
30 Jun08:56 i     iiiii    i         `- Re: VMS1Richard Kettlewell
27 Jun20:40 i     iiiii    `- Re: VMS1Rich
20 Jun 25 i     iiii`* Re: VMS5Richard Kettlewell
21 Jun 25 i     iiii +* Re: VMS2Rich
21 Jun 25 i     iiii i`- Re: VMS1Richard Kettlewell
21 Jun 25 i     iiii `* Re: VMS2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Jun 25 i     iiii  `- Re: VMS1c186282
21 Jun 25 i     iii`- Re: VMS1c186282
21 Jun 25 i     ii`* Re: VMS2c186282
21 Jun 25 i     ii `- Re: VMS1rbowman
20 Jun 25 i     i+* Re: VMS6The Natural Philosopher
20 Jun 25 i     ii+- Re: VMS1Rich
21 Jun 25 i     ii+* Re: VMS2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Jun 25 i     ii`* Re: VMS2Richard Kettlewell
20 Jun 25 i     i`* Re: VMS2Rich
20 Jun 25 i     `* Re: VMS2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
15 Jun 25 `* Re: VMS8Rich

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