On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 14:13:44 -0400, WolfFan wrote :
Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
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No. You don't.
Nope. under certain circumstances using an AppleID might produce arequest to
enter a six-digit PIN... and all devices with that AppleID get the
notification, including the device you're logging into. (I always thought
that this was stupid, but hey...) The PIN is different for each device, so
Apple knows if you have a second device or if you only have one. If you use
the PIN sent to the device you want to log into, there may be additional
steps to ensure that you're you. Note that this is NOT for logging into the
device itself; that requires the standard login method. All of my devices
have a (different for each one) 10-digit alphanumeric login code, and
face/fingerprint crap is NOT turned on. A third party can't get onto the
device to get to where it asks for an AppleID in the first place.
Wow. I'm shocked. Really shocked. WolfFan isn't as stupid as I had thought.
Alan Baker is stupid - but WolfFan actually said something above that I
never had tested so I was unaware of the particulars that WolfFan stated.
*THANK YOU WolfFan for stating something about Apple that I didn't know.*
If you have an Apple Account with 2FA, which is all new Apple Accounts
nowadays, and if Apple asks for a PIN during the login process, then you
MUST have a valid way for the 2FA to work, where the current device will
also suffice (which, I agree, would be stupid, but hey...).
In my case, every Apple device that I have is registered to a different
(throw-away) Apple Account, but I don't remember ever getting the
notification on the DEVICE that I was being forced to log into though.
So I will test WolfFan's claims that even the device you're using to log
into the Apple Account gets that PIN, as I always get the 2FA request on my
phone; but the next time I'm forced to log into Apple's servers, I test it.
THANK YOU WOLFFAN FOR CORRECTING MY INCORRECT ASSESSMENT OF HOW IT WORKS!
Since all you MAGA zealots are ignorant of everything you speak of,
it used to be that you could generate an "Apple ID" without any
useful information being supplied. Later, Apple enforced the address
had to be real and match the zip code for the Apple ID, but it could
be anyone's address and zip code.
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This is false.
Even if it were true... the ZIP would be the ZIP for, for example, the office
for one of the AppleIDs used for business purposes.
And it's not true as I have _multiple_ AppleIDs which don't have an
address attached.
I don't know what Alan Baker is trying to say (as anything he says is
meaningless anyway) but the loss of privacy with Apple products is due to
the fact that you must have a way of proving who you are to Apple in order
to download an app (which requires logging into Apple's servers).
Only Apple makes privacy impossible.
Nobody else does that.
Not Google (Android). Not Microsoft (even Windows 11). Just Apple.
*Privacy is impossible if you own Apple products.*
Don't even get me started if you decide to never log out of an iPad.
Apple will eventually unilaterally brick it if you don't re-log in.
And then you need to produce GOVERNMENT ID for Apple to unbrick it.
Ask me how I know this (on two different iPads!).
Only with Apple products is privacy impossible.
But as of April of 2019, Apple started requiring that the zip code
match the billing address of your credit or debit card, where your
billing address could be bogus, but the zip code had to be valid for
that address.
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Since I don't have to provide a credit or debit card to create an Apple
Account, this is also false.
Yep. if no payment info is set up, you don't need an address. Company
devices don't have payment info set up, the users ain't supposed to buy
anything to install on a company device. If necessary, IT department (me)
will temporarily put a payment method onto the AppleID used for company
devices, buy whatever, install it on the devices in question over the network
in any of a half-dozen ways, and take the payment method off the AppleID.
I wasn't talking about the address. Although you have to product government
ID (which has your address) if you don't constantly log into the iOS
device.
I realize you'll say that's not true - but I've tried it with two devices,
and I have threads on this from years ago when it happened, so don't say it
didn't happen just because you're ignorant of what Apple does under this
specific circumstance (which I've tested with two different iPads).
1. You log into your Apple Account
2. And then you never log out
Watch what happens after two years of never logging back in.
You'll get a nag screen to log in ten times a day.
But if you refuse to log back in (even though you never logged out!),
watch what happens.
I've proved this in prior threads so don't say it doesn't happen just
because you've never tried it.
At that time, 2FA was optional, although there was a lawsuit that
Apple won where people who didn't opt out within the required grace
period were stuck with 2FA forever.
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Cite, please!
I'd like to hear this one, too.
Why is it you Apple trolls never heard of a search?
It's no wonder you're so ignorant of everything Apple.
It made headlines years ago.
We discussed it on this newsgroup.
It's no longer shocking how ignorant you are since Alan Baker was on those
threads, and now he's already forgotten all about it.
WolfFan was not on those threads, but still, why can't you trolls search?
An Apple troll is ignorant for a few reasons, one of which is they never
read the news - and yet they deny everything in the news about Apple.
Look it up. Stop being ignorant of everything about Apple.
By late 2023, Apple began requiring 2FA for nearly all newly created
Apple IDs where there is no opt-out for newer devices. If your
device runs iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra or later, 2FA is
automatically enabled for new accounts and cannot be turned off once
activated.
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That is (I believe) true.
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Keep in mind that on June 11, 2024, Apple changed the terms of the
"Apple ID" which they then termed the "Apple Account".
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And?
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As of September 2024, Apple expanded 2FA availability to nearly
every country and region, making the 2FA requirement a global
standard.
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Bear in mind that of the possible methods for authentication, which
Apple will require every time you log into the Apple Account (or
change settings), the phone *must* be real and it cannot be a VOIP
number.
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Nope. This is all Apple says on the subject:
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'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
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<https://account.apple.com/account#!&page%3Dcreate>
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The fact that Wolfan claims he used a VOIP number, if he did at all,
would indicate he did this looooooong ago, as Apple will only accept
real phones.
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'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
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Nothing about what type of phone it is.
Apple only cares that the phonr number works. It department (me) at the
office run all comms, voice, fax, text, email, whatever, past our systems.
All comms. We use VOIP phones for voice and assign a new VOIP line as
necessary to new hires or those who change departments. We have yet to
encounter a problem with an AppleID due to VOIP. Arlen's lying his ass off.
Again.
I retired almost two decades ago. My phone number is my phone number.
Only on Apple products can I have no privacy.
I created a TextNow account on the iPad. Apple wouldn't take it.
I already had a GoogleVoice on the iPad. Apple wouldn't take it.
Even so, it's still registered to me in terms of how a text gets to me.
So it's the case that privacy is only impossible with Apple products.
On Android, no account is needed to install apps.
On Windows, yes, even Windows 11, no account is needed to install apps.
Why is it that privacy is only impossible on Apple products?
Apple's policies are absurd that you need to carry with you at all
times TWO devices, where even if you don't have a mobile phone with
you at all times, Apple can send codes to other Apple devices signed
in with your account.
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'Make sure you enter a phone number you can always access. It will be
used to verify your identity any time you sign in on a new device or web
browser. Messaging or data rates may apply.'
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Only on Apple devices is not only privacy impossible, but you need
to carry two different devices with you at all times to log into the
Apple Account.
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And, oh, ancient iPads still work fine around here. With their
apps. No, apps do not die on older iPads.
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None of you ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.
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If you don't have an Apple ID on the device, then you can update the
OS. But you can't update the apps.
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So have an AppleID
it's trivially done.
What's important isn't how "trivial" you think giving Apple your phone
number is, but that privacy is only impossible on Apple devices.
You Apple trolls are so stupid you don't realize it's not how "trivial" it
is to give away your privacy.
Everything you trolls say proves you've been told you're stupid your whole
lives if you think the issue is how "trivial" it is to give your privacy
away.
It's not about how "trivial" it is to give away your privacy, WolfFan.
It's that privacy is impossible only on Apple devices.
Only Apple requires you to give away your privacy to download apps.
Why?
Tell me. Given only on Apple devices do you need to give away your privacy
to download apps, why do you think privacy is only impossible with Apple?
-- No whataboutism. Answer the question.
Almost every app you have on the iPad will die; the iPad will become inert over time
Re: Every app you have on the iPad will NEVER die; the iPad will continue to work for many years. (was: Almost every app you have on the iPad will die; the iPad will become inert over time)