Re: Fans Are COMPLETELY GIVING UP ON Doctor Who- Here's Why.

On 22/05/2025 14:18, Blueshirt wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:
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On 22/05/2025 04:48, Tim Merrigan wrote:

 Hartnel is before my time, but I'm a Tom Baker (and Jon
Pertwee) fan,  and I have no problem with Ncuti Gatwa, or
Jodie Whittaker, for that  matter.  And the Timeless Child
is just a plot device and very unlikely  to be retconed.

 Then Doctor Who will stay dead and buried. The Timeless Child
monster is not just a plot device.

"The Timeless Child Monster" does not exist in the show. It's warped fanfic
 distorted through the deluded lens of Aggie's imagination.
There is a "Timeless Child" native in the show but it doesn't do what Aggie
 repeatedly insists it does k orde to serve his nihilistic agenda.

It rewrites the origin
story of the Doctor

No, it sets out an origin story. There had never been an origin story for
 the Doctor in the show before. The adventures start in media res with a
 Doctor already exiled for an unknown length of time from his mysterious
 homeworld, along with his granddaughter.

and turns them into genocidal monster

This is complete invention. There is nothing in the brief snatches of the
 "pre Hartnell" lifetimes of the Doctor that we have seen to suggest that
 this is in any way true.

created from an abducted and abused little black girl from another dimension

Also completely untrue. The Doctor is said to be an alien child found
 abandoned in front of a dimensional portal - and they are then, yes,
 systematically subjected to heinous experimentation by Tecteun that leads
 to taking their DNA and splicing it into early Gallifreyans as one element
 of their becoming Timelords, gaining their regeneration capabilities in
 this way. It's implied that Rassilon sets an artificial limit of 12 on
 regenerations for the Timelords as a limit on their tremendous power. But
 none of this is the responsibility or fault of the Doctor, and it's
 sketched out in almost zero detail.

that is running away from the crimes of it's
past.

The Fugitive Doctor ran away because she decided the things she was being
 asked to do were wrong. It's implied that they were. But we have no idea
 what these things were or for how long they went on. So she was running to
 escape complicity in further crimes, not one the run from her crimes.
That Doctor was captured and her memory erased. So the Doctor we know left
 Gallifrey for reasons that have still never been transparently stated.

So you have said, many times. But is a story-line from the past
and the show has now moved on. No "Doctor Who" showrunner is
going to devote precious time in a 45 minute episode to
un-write something like that from a previous era... especially
after they explicitly said they wouldn't!

Well they can't very well unwrite Aggie's version of the story, as it's
 patently deranged bollocks with no basis in the show.
Can't unwrite something that was never written.
RTD has incorporated "orphan" into the Doctor's psyche, and has now also
 included a brief scene binding the Fugitive Doctor's past into the present
 knowledge. So no, no sign of a retcon, more a sort of minor "acknowledge
 and move on" - as many of the saner among us always thought and said would
 happen.
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