Re: Doctor Who: Rose - 20th Anniversary

On 26/03/2025 11:39, Blueshirt wrote:

"Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too much
of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing "Doctor
Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today when some
of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode "Rose" that
evening with posts like this...
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 From: "Tim Roll-Pickering" <t.c.roll-pickering@qmul.ac.uk>
 Truly:
 Woo-Hoo!
 It's been worth the long wait.
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 From: "Ian Salsbury" <Ian@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk>
 It felt a little rushed and some of the effects were dodgy but
overall great fun. CE was superb and the show has left me with
a smile on my face. A good start!
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 From: "Mark Walton" <a@b.com>
 My 4 year old nephew immediately called out "Wicked!" as the
end credits rolled. Sounds like a success.
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 From: "Stephen Wilson" <sr.wilson@ntlworld.com>-
 A good reintroduction, but a liitle bit "in your face" and tried
to do too much too quick. Not enough time to introduce any
characters - certainly none I got to care about by the end of
the episode.
 Suddenly there was danger, the Doctor appeared, danger was blown
up. Wham, bam, thank you mam...
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 From: "Mike" <mike_r_2k@hotmail.co.uk>
 after all the hype I was expecting big things from the new Dr
Who but after having just sat through the first episode not only
am I disappointed but saddened that it now looks like it has
turned into a comedy spoof more than anything.  for a start
instead of developing a story over 4 or 5 episodes it is now all
crammed into one episode so the autons arrive, are discovered and
destroyed in 45 mins with no build-up or story development
whatsoever! parts of it play like a MTV music video too and as
for hiding behind the sofa.. think kids would be too busy
laughing at it to do that! for example the wheely bin burping
after swollowing someone!  not sure if Chris makes a good doctor
or not either.. he seems to have a sort of can't care less
attitude to the whole thing. Billy seems ok though. i am just
hoping it is early days and things may improve but of this first
episode is going to be the style of the whole thing I think this
series may sadly spell the real end of the Doctor.
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 From: "Agamemnon" <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM>
 Where was the Doctors face appearing in the tunnel. Nowhere to
be seen.
 The closing credits were annoying. Tunnel effects and credits
scrolling up the screen at the same time don't work together.
 The story was 3 episodes to short. Complete lack of any build up
but maybe the intention was to bring the new viewers in on the
last part of a 4 parter. Hopefully the next story will have a
beginning a middle and an end.
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Unfortunately after 20, I mean 12 years when the show finally ended in 2017 the writers never learned how to write for the 45 minute format before completely running the series into the ground. They also never learned how to write a proper series arc either. It was nothing beyond repeating the same mantra like Bad Wolf over and over and over again.
 From the very start as the majority of comments back then seem to make clear the writing was extremely poor and deteriorated over time. It grew worse from effectively starting from the 4th episode of a 4 parter jumping straight to the end of the story without any build up, plot development, character development, hero's journey, or change taking place, to not having a story or plot at all, being completely incoherent with everything being thrown in at random and not making any sense like a modern art painting, as if it was written by a clueless 4 year old child playing with a pot of paint that doesn't know how to hold a paint brush, mix colours, or draw perspective.
In its favour, back then, the series was still entertaining because it wasn't crammed full of degenerate, bigoted political messaging attacking the audience because of their race, gender, and sexuality. As soon as that began under Moffat and Capaldi in 2015 following on from Clara being turned into an unlikeable Mary Sue used to attack male traits and the masculinity of the characters, and the Master being turned into a woman, the series immediately lost more than half of its audience and never recovered from it.
In hindsight no one will remember or love the new series like the original. There is not one single episode or story that can be cited as a classic example of good science fiction writing or which inspired viewers to study science, technology, mathematics, or engineering. All the new series has achieved is inflating the self-centred egos of the mentally sick and degenerate show runners, Russell T Davies, Steven Moffat, and Chris Chibnall, and we should have realised this from the very start when Christopher Eccleston quit before the first episode was even air because of how the cast and crew were systematically abused, ignored, insulted, and humiliated, when they dared to suggest ways of making the show better, and then defamed with lies made up about them by the executive producers who even mocked them in the series itself. If that's how you treat the show's lead actor don't expect him to return and don't expect the audience to be treated any better. We should have learned that lesson back then in 2005.
Doctor Who ended in 2017 and all the signs leading to its demise were there from the start, with it being run by a cabal of megalomaniacs.
It's a surprise it even lasted 12 years given what we know now.

From: "Hornplayer9599" <sbostwick@aol.com>
 Overall, I didn't think it was a bad episode.  Granted, we are
all looking at this episode with the background knowledge of the
"classic" Doctor stories, but we are talking about one new
episode.  I thought that the pace of the show was quite fast,
again I'm used to having one story take four, or sometimes six
episodes to come to fruition. However, I think that we can come
up with an old 2 part story that just draged on and on.  We can
also come up with a 6 parter that went by quickly and didn't
"feel" like a 6 parter. As far as garbage bins burping up, I can
live with that as long as we don't see it every week.  I think
Chris is going to be an excellent Doctor.  Yeah, he did some
silly things in Rose's living room.  But if you noticed when he
looked in the mirror, he started commenting on his appearance,
as if he had just recently regenerated.  If you recall, when the
other doctors regenerated, the new incarnation was a bit
"loopy" for a while before he got comfortable in his new skin
(especially from Tom Baker on).  Last item.  The first episode
from any given series is rarely the best product....everyone
involved is working on finding an "identity".  I think that
given time (no pun intended) to get settled, the new show will
be just as good at the original.  Let's wait and see before
condeming it.
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From: "Central Scrutinizer" <tdyl@blueyonderthepiss.co.uk>
 Well; it's happened at last. I know it's only e1, but it struck
me as being a bit slapstick. The SFX were very good and that was
complemented by sets that didn't wobble and monsters that
weren't spray-painted bubblewrap(tm). ll-in-all though I think
the series shows a lot of promise and the writing is excellent
along with the general production values and sfx. Well-done and
pats on the collective backs of the beeb staff that have brought
one of the best-loved stories ever back to our screens.
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