Re: UK gets nul points (from public) yet again

On 21/05/2025 09:09, Andy Leighton wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2025 19:38:18 +0100,
                 The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

On 20/05/2025 11:51, Andy Leighton wrote:

On Mon, 19 May 2025 23:59:47 +0100, The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

On 19/05/2025 15:24, The Doctor wrote:

In article <100feri$1lm3u$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70  <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

On 19/05/2025 11:40 pm, Andy Leighton wrote:

On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:23:45 +0100,
                       The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

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Doctor Who was never about racism,

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Yeah the Daleks were never about racism!  Sure!  I mean they were
obviously a thinly veiled metaphor for the Nazis even in the early
'60s.
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Yeah, and, as I recall, at some time in NewWho, weren't Humans/Humanoids
being turned in CyberMEN?? i.e. Humans/Humanoids could be improved!

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Cybermen was a parallel to Communism.
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Daleks was a parallele to Naziism.
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Both are parallels to Marxism and the wokery that it created.

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Sure the SS style uniforms and nazi-salutes in Genesis are nothing
to do with anything.
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Adolf Hitler was a Marxist Socialist by his own admission. Read Mein
Kampf. Fascism the ideology Hitler based Nazism on was defined by its
creator Benito Mussolini as being part of Marxism as defined by Karl
Marx himself.

 You argument makes no sense.
 

My argument makes perfect sense. Learn some history and read the texts, interviews, and conference transcripts from the time.

I said the Daleks were a metaphor for the Nazis.

As they were.

You disagree and say that it is a prallel to Marxism and wokery.

That is not a disagreement since the Nazis were by its very definition Marxists. Fascism is a Marxist ideology. Everyone that knows history knows that. That's why George Orwell stated that 1984 was a warning of the dangers of socialism and why he based Ingsoc the English Socialist Party of the Nazis. In 1984 the entire world has become a Marxist tyranny based on Socialist principles of totalitarianism, with communist Russia controlling Eurasia, communist China controlling Eastasia, and fascist Oceania controlling Britain and America. Fascism being BY DEFINITION a derivative of right wing Marxism.
Whereas Communist Marxism believes that all industry must be owned by the state in order to control it Fascist Marxism believes that the state can control all industry without needing to own it. That's the difference between the two sides of Marxism. Neither Hitler nor Mussolini were Western Capitalists, nor did they believe in the free market. By they own words they stood to the left of Western Capitalism and were both socialists.

I then make a point where the show is using Nazi imagery.
 

That does not change the fact that the Nazis were Marxists.

And then your counterpoint is that Hitler was a Maxrist Socialist.
He wasn't - he was profoundly anti-Marx - even in his early

Yes he was in every sense of the term.
Hitler in Mein Kampf clearly states that he deliberately incorporated Marxist ideology into Nazism. Hitler was an admirer of Karl Marx who was a fellow anti-Semite. His only disagreement with the German Marxists (who were all disunited) and Marx himself was that he believed like Mussolini that the state could control all industry without actually owning it. The Communists believed that the state must own industry to control it.
Hitler even advocated for literal Communism by calling for the expropriation of agricultural land from its owners and merging it all together to form communes. He also called for the expropriation of wealth from the rich to pay for the creation of work and education programmes.

writing.  But even if it were true it would in no way diminish
my point that the Daleks were a metaphor for the Nazis.
 

I never disagreed with that, but that is not what they are primarily based on. The Daleks are derived from H G Wells The Time Machine and Edgar Rice Burroughs The Chessmen of Mars.
In The Daleks Skaro is engulfed in radiation after a nuclear war and the Dals mutated into the crab like creatures in the penultimate chapter of The Time Machine who are encased in metal shells in order to move around, based on the Kaldanes from The Chessmen of Mars, who use human engines to transport them around, and the Martians from The War of the Worlds who use machines to transport themselves in, whereas the Thals stay in humanoid form.
The Daleks are the Morlocks, and the Thals are the Eloi from The Time Machine. The plot element of extermination derives from The Skylark of Space by E E Smith published in 1928 where Kondalek wants to exterminate the people of Mardonale.

The Daleks borrowed the Nazis's 'dislike of the unlike' (their
racism) and borrowed nothing from the class struggle of Marxism.

The Daleks embodied the totalitarian ideology of Marxism and since they represent the Morlocks from The Time Machine they also embody Marxism's class dichotomy. Like the Pigs on Animal Farm which tells the story of Marxism the Daleks became everything the Dals originally despised. In The Daleks the Dals were the poets, the artists, the philosophers, etc. whereas the Thals were the aggressors and the war mongers.

We don't see Daleks going around chanting "Workers of the world,
unite!" and "From Each According to His Abilities, to Each According
to His Needs".
 

We don't see this but it is alluded to by them in The Daleks. The Daleks are right-wing Marxists, ie. Fascists who embody Hitler's ideology that no one else has the right to appropriate German culture or assimilate it. The Cyberman are Communists who want to force assimilation onto everyone who is different.
Most of the plot of Genesis of the Daleks is based on the the first 6 chapters of Synthetic Men of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs which was published in 1939. Davros is not primarily based on Adolf Hitler. He's based on the Martian scientist Ras-Thavas (Thava-Ras => Davros, read the book it explains it) who has made himself virtually immortal though his knowledge of medicine and wants to play God by creating the ultimate life form, the Synthetic Men of the story, but after repeatedly failing in experiment after experiment to perfect them Ras-Thavas Synthetic Men rebel against their creator and take over his laboratory after he attempts to destroy them when he realises they want to overthrow him. It's another Marxist revolution where the Synthetic Men like the Pigs on Animal Farm think they are being oppressed, believe they are superior, and want to take over the whole world.
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