Re: Robert Creeley poem

On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:33:17 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:03:02 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:49:25 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 19:39:48 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:57:09 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:53:52 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 6:41:33 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 0:04:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article.php?id=255731&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments
On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:
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I realized from the content of NancyGene's posts that they were
intelligent, well-educated, and better written than anyone here.
Naturally, I asked them to start contributing to the "Sampler."  And I
was right in doing so.
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Here are the opening lines of NancyGene's latest poem:
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"Yesterdays stack up like piles of read newspapers,
Cluttering my mind and obstructing my day."
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That's poetry of the highest quality.

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The opening line is very good. It's almost as good as the opening line
of Robert Creeleys poem, "The Days Pile Up":
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"The days pile up like unread newspapers,"
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I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism".

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Ping Rachel:
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This is the obert Creeley poem I was telling you about, the one causing
such a ruckus here on the poetry newsgroup.

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It's George Dance's libelous accusation of plagiarism

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Read the George Dance post again, he didn't make an accusation, just an
observation.

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And, yes, George Dance did make the accusation:

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No, George Dance made the observation, see below.
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"I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism"."
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No, George Dance was saying that's what" they," Nancy Gene would call
it.
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Are you just playing stupid again or is your reading comprehension
really that poor?

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How does that matter, Donkey?
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If the line had been copied from Creeley with only minor modifications
(as George Dance falsely claims), posting it without crediting him
*would* be plagiarism.

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No, Lying Michael. Copying one line of someone else's poem to use in a
poem of one's own is not plagiarism. It may be considered rude, if done
to a living author, but it is not considered literary theft.
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It doesn't matter whether NancyGene would call it "plagiarism" if
someone else did it.  It would be an act of plagiarism regardless of
what NancyGene, or anyone else, called it.

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No, Lying Michael: it's something that only a troll would call
plagiarism: a troll like NastyGoon, or ... yourself.
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And since George Dance titled the thread this accusation appeared in
"NastyGoon lifts a line" (FYI: That is a direct accusation that
NancyGene copied the line from Creeley), he's calling her a
plagiarist... twice.

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No, HarryLiar. As Will said, you got the line wrong. The only question
is why.

Wrong again, George.
Stealing a line of poetry from another author and attempting to pass it
off as your own is an act of plagiarism.  It may or may not be the type
of plagiarism I could be taken to court over (I don't pretend to be a
lawyer), but it is still by definition "plagiarism."
Let's look at the definition of "Plagiarize" at Merriam-Webster:
transitive verb
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own :
use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb
: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or
product derived from an existing source
Stealing a line of poetry would be included under both of these
definitions.
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