Re: Self defense injustice in the UK

On 6/14/2025 5:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Jun 14, 2025 at 9:20:00 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

On 6/13/2025 7:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On Jun 13, 2025 at 4:02:20 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

  On 6/13/2025 1:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    On Jun 13, 2025 at 10:08:54 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
   

    On 6/13/2025 12:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      On Jun 13, 2025 at 8:31:04 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
     

      On 6/12/2025 4:57 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:

        On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 21:51:49 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
        wrote:
       

  Pretty much, yeah. If you're breaking into my home, I presume you
  to be a danger to me and mine. To do otherwise is suicidal. And regardless,
  even if they're only there to steal and I can somehow know this as they're
  kicking in my front door, I'm neither legally nor morally required to
  abandon my home to thieves or stand aside and let them have their
  way with my property.
>
  And more to the point, if *you* value my TV more than your own life, why
  should I do any different?

             Point taken and as you say you ought to have the benefit of the doubt
     when it comes to your own abode.

>
      Absolutely.  In a world that values property more than life.

            Once again, if the skell breaking into my house doesn't value his
own life
      more than my property, why should I?

>
    Umm, in most households anyway, theft isn't considered suicidal.

        It is if you're in a place where gun ownership isn't restricted.

>
  And a place where property is valued more than life.

    If I'm at home when you come to take my property, my life is in danger, too.
  So on one side you have a life. On the other, you have one or more lives,
plus
  property.
    The math does itself.

>
They come to take your property, you come to take their life.

 But I don't know that. It's not like they announce themselves as mere
non-murderous thieves with every kick on the door. And even if they did, I'm
supposed to risk my life and the lives of my family banking on the honesty of
the criminals who are kicking in my door?

Who knows what you're "supposed" to do?  But some rational humanitarians might take into account how unlikely a burglar is to be also homicidal.

    If you're in Texas and considering home invasion as a vocation, the
    probability that you'll be shot sooner rather than later is something you
    need to seriously consider.

>
  Or you find someone desperate enough they'll do the invasions for you.

    The[y] chose... poorly.

>
And if it's the free choice you're envisioning, rather than a desperate
one, then they must be suicidal.

 Yes, they desperately need my TV to feed their kids. Riiighhht...

Yeah, he'll probably put it towards a new Corvette...