Re: Snopes Finally Debunks Left-Wing Claim of "Very Fine People" in Charlottesville

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
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It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since been done, but
the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and admitted the
whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a hoax. I have
no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose?

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

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Eh
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It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried
himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored it, or
limited his comments to condemning the murder.
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I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high
moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides had
pretty low morals.
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I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments making
the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the
neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing
history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to look
the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never forget
that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the modern
politics of that era.

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People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of those
people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues
or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew growing
up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual
reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and put
more effort into teaching the history behind their erection.
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Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people forget
what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after
leaving school.
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I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong.

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Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in
the hopes that we don't repeat them.

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A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so obvious a solution that you have to wonder if both sides vehemently oppose it.

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We don't need statues to learn history.

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In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it...

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Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are fine people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the tongue ...because Trump simply isn't suicidal.  And, trying to indict him on such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones.

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None of what you said has anything to do with the facts in evidence.

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The fact is that even if there were a video of Trump saying "Nazis are fine people" (which, afaik, there isn't) it would beggar plausibility.

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He said there are fine people on both sides.  Why don't you get what the discussion is about?

 Yes, but the two sides weren't "Nazis" and "non-Nazis".  (Yes, I know that all the Nazis were on only one of the sides.)

The topic was neo-Nazis.  This is exhausting.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."