Re: The Old vs The New

On 11/18/2024 11:26 PM, shawn wrote:

On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 22:41:01 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
 

On 11/18/2024 8:43 AM, shawn wrote:

On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:07:46 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
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On 11/18/2024 1:25 AM, shawn wrote:

On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 22:25:13 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:17:36 -0500, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
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Ideally, in my opinion,  Hamas would be gone and the Palestinian
people would be allowed to control their own fate but that doesn't
seem likely to happen in my lifetime, if ever. Israel is just helping
to win more people over to Hamas by their killing of innocent
civilians in an attempt to wipe out Hamas leaders. Which just means
the fighting will likely keep going on and on and on.

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Given HAMAS routinely uses 'innocent civilians' as human shields if
the Israeli soldier spots the HAMAS guy with a weapon he's going to
shoot first and ask questions later.
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At best, that's going to mean a wounded civilian - which is just going
to mean the HAMAS fighter is going to grab yetanother "shield" next
time  he sees an Israeli.
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While I agree with you on your point about winning more people over,
what's their option besides surrendering to HAMAS?

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I don't know that they have one. At least not a good one. With a few
million people to hide among even preventing Hamas from launching the
occasional rocket attack is going to be impossible.
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Though I wonder if they treated the Gazan residents better if they
could have won over their support for Israel at getting rid of Hamas.
I'm not sure it could work now but at least making sure Gaza is
getting food/water/medical supplies would limit the # of people who
might support Hamas.

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Hamas is the group that is "appropriating" the food/water/medicine sent
to Gaza.

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I know but Israel has also been limiting the support available. If
they didn't there would be more food/water/medicine coming in than
Hamas could take control of. There's no lack of supplies available if
only it were easy to get them into Gaza.

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What makes you think Hamas wouldn't just destroy whatever supplies they
couldn't keep?  They are LONG past the point of thinking "We must make
our fellow Palestinians miserable and desperate so they will hate the
Jews more and join us in killing them!"

 Ideally that would result in the rest of Palestinians turning against
Hamas. That doesn't seem to be happening but if they know that Hamas
is fully responsible for them not getting the aid they need then they
should turn against Hamas. If the alternative is starving to death as
being mentioned over and over again you would think that would be
enough to force the Gazans to attack Hamas even if that means some die
as they were going to die anyway.
 Do I expect it to happen? No, not given what we've seen happen so far
but it should be what happens.

Hamas has all the weapons, many of them are "covert" so the general population never knows who might be Hamas (secret police anyone?) and have been abused by various Palestinian "militias" for a couple of generations now.  An entire population that is a battered wife.  Their choices are "fight back" and immediately die, probably getting their family killed too, or keep their heads down and live a bit longer.
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