Re: Land Acknowledgement at the Oscars

super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

2025-03-04 06:31:08 +0000, BTR1701 said:

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a
white lady in a $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land
acknowledgements" to assuage their white guilt over having built a
civilization on what used to be tribal territory.

She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that
is now Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.

Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association
of natives called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of
years before the Tongva.  The Tongva conquered them, drove them off,
and took this land from them. Just as hundreds of years later, the
European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove them off, and took this
land from them.

To sum up:

The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first,
and they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who
were here before them.

White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the
first, and they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva,
who were here before them.

So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
California, then so are white people.

What the Tongva did was acceptible as at their self celebratory
ceremonies, they too gave a land acknowledgement.

LOL!

"And now, before we present the award for best rain dance in a comedy or
musical, we take a moment to remember the Hokan, who we slaughtered so that
we could live on this beautiful land."

You can get riled up over some of the most trivial things.

Why not start your own Hokan Appreciation Society if you feel this
strongly about the issue.

The issue he feels strongly about is providing the punch line whenever
celebrities have set themselves up as the obvious straight line and thus
unwittingly the butt of the joke.