Re: Land Acknowledgement at the Oscars

On Mar 4, 2025 at 2:02:51 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

 The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in
a
 $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to
 assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to
be
 tribal territory.
 
 She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now
 Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
 
 Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of
natives
 called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the
Tongva.
 The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them.
Just
 as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva,
drove
 them off, and took this land from them.
 
 To sum up:
 
 The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
they
 conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before
 them.
 
 White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
 they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here
 before them.
 
 So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
 California, then so are white people.

 
Well, you’ve missed an important step in the process. If the Hokan were
first, then they were raised on site from the mud by their magic juju gods,
unrelated to mankind.  Presumably this is true of the Tongva as well. Just
different mud and maybe different gods in a different location. That’s what
it takes to be indigenous.

Except in Southern California we generally don't have mud and when we do, it's
sliding down hillsides, so anyone raised from it would immediately be killed.