Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien Escape ICE

On 5/3/2025 4:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On May 3, 2025 at 1:16:04 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

On 5/3/2025 3:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On May 3, 2025 at 12:17:54 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

  On 5/3/2025 2:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    On May 3, 2025 at 10:58:17 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
   

    On 5/3/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

      On May 3, 2025 at 8:30:06 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
     

      On 5/3/2025 9:43 AM, NoBody wrote:

>
        You are attempting to draw a distinction with no difference.  You
        think that, because she's a judge, she can disregard a legal warrant
        based solely on her personal opinion of it.

>
      Again... she allegedly believed the warrant invalid, not as a matter of
      "personal opinion" but as one of fact.

            Again, her personal belief is of no more consequence than any other
random
      person on the street. This wasn't occurring in her courtroom and was not
      within her jurisdiction as a judge.
            If some random citizen walked up to ICE agents in the middle of an
  operation
      in their neighborhood and demanded to see the warrant (and assuming they
      showed it to humor him), his opinion that it isn't valid would make
    absolutely
      no difference and have no relevance to ICE's actions. They'd just say
  "Okay,
      buddy, whatever. Now go away or you'll be arrested for obstruction and
      interference."
            This judge is just a random citizen with regard to a federal ICE
  operation.
      Her status as a state court judge gives her no special authority or
      jurisdiction to declare warrants valid or invalid and have that somehow
    affect
      what ICE is doing. They are free to completely ignore her, just as they
    would
      that guy I described above and if she takes further action to
frustrate or
      impede their operation, she goes to jail.

>
    In this example, I'm ascribing to her "personal belief" no more legal
    authority than I would to yours. The (hypothetical) fact is that she
    *believed* the warrant invalid, and acted accordingly, as you would.

        Even if I thought they were operating with bad paper, I would no more take
    active measures to interfere in an ICE operation than I would litigate my
  case
    on the side of the road with a cop during a traffic stop.
        In both instances, I would recognize that issues like the validity of
  warrants
    and whether I came to a complete stop or not are matters for a court to
    decide, not for me to take into my own hands at the scene.

>
  But if, for whatever reason, considerable damage would be done by a
  successful apprehension, you might be more stinting in your cooperation.

    Which is not what we're talking about here. This judge wasn't asked for her
  cooperation and she wasn't arrested because she refused to give it. She took
  proactive measures to obstruct and interfere. That's what put her in
  handcuffs.

>
She sent them out a "side door", which wasn't illegal, per se.  Now, you
may contend that her *purpose* was obstructive, but afaics that's not
sufficient to convict her.

 LOL! Whatever, man. Continue to deny reality.

As we seem to be letting this drop for a while, I'll just add that what I especially liked about shawn's video was its explicit mention of what *I've* thought was always a major aggravating factor beyond all the wife-beating, border-flouting nonsense ...and that's the territorial outrage of these ICE fuckers invading her turf.  It seems likely to figure in heavily if her adjudicators identify with it.