Re: Now, student visas revoked for unknown reasons

On May 18, 2025 at 12:41:06 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 18, 2025 at 11:20:31 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

Tue, 8 Apr 2025 04:35:15 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

 

Trump administration is revoking student visas of students not connected
to anti-Israeli protests.

 

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https://apnews.com/article/f1-visa-international-college-student-trump-9d4d900d328a0c205503c1178e70f1d5

 

I read that article and it specifically mentioned deportation orders
had been given in quite a few cases where student visas were being
cancelled after the student in question had either dropped out or
graduated.

 

That doesn't sound shocking to me - decades ago my mother studied in
the US on a student visa (not shocking - a Vancouver girl studying in
Seattle) and after graduation applied for and got the standard green
card. (Also not shocking as she was by then married to an American)

 

(One of the few things I regret is having mislaid her actual card as I
had it in my filing cabinet after her death which was 35+ years after
her US studies.)

 

Of course it's shocking. If the student is no longer studying or
graduated, there is no reason to automatically deport him

 

That's a visa overstay. If you've graduated, you're no longer a student so
your student visa has expired. You need to either apply for some other permit
to be in the U.S. or go home. Just ignoring it and continuing to live here
makes you an illegal alien.

 
Yes, a student visa is a time-limited visa and the visa holder has to
remain a student in order to renew it, but the visa does not expire the
instant of graduation or end of term. There is a reasonable transition
period. If the student takes summer off, which is typical for
undergrads, he's not off visa between his freshman and sophomore years.

That's because he's still enrolled in the university. Once graduation occurs,
that's no longer the case.

More to the point, graduation isn't something that happens unexpectedly out of
the blue. A student knows when he/she is graduating months in advance and
should make the appropriate arrangements for post-graduation status ahead of
time.

Because the visa expires at time definite, then Trump cancelling student
visas is bullshit. The only reason to cancel a visa is if the student
commits an act that makes him undesireable, like a felony.
 

But the moment of graduation didn't change the foreign national's status
from student to illegally present.

 

The person, knowing graduation was approaching, should have contacted USCIS
and made an application for some other permit to remain in the United States,
either a work visa, green card, or some other program.

 
That's my point! A foreign student, even with a doctorate from an American
university, cannot simply apply to immigrate. If they want to immigrate,
they get in the back of the line with everyone else lacking an American
education.
 
A work visa is a sponsored visa; the employer applies. That's not an
immigrant visa.
 
I'm not misstating the law here, am I?
 

The time present in the United States on a student visa didn't have
short end points like a tourist visa.

 

The student visa issue is one of those utter bullshit problems with the
visa system. We are talking about foreign nationals with an American
college education. Hell, some even obtain doctorates. How the hell are
these people undesireable aliens?

 

No one said they're undesirable but if they intentionally or negligently
become visa overstays, then there are consequences for that.

 
US law has put them in the undesireable category because they are NOT
put into one of the categories for desireable aliens whose green card
applications aren't subject to decades long waiting periods and national
quotas.

So Congress needs to change the law. That's not relevant to someone who has
graduated today and hasn't made any arrangements with the government to change
their status

Just as you can have a spotless driving record for 30 years but if you
fail to renew your driver license before it expires, you're committing
a crime if you keep driving under a no longer valid license.

 
I'm not seeing the analogy. Drivers who commit that infraction probably
had an unpaid court fine or failure to complete drunk driving programs.

Or just didn't bother to renew it. Sometimes they renew auto-magically,
sometimes they don't and you have to go into the DMV and renew in person. If
you don't bother to do it when it's the latter, your spotless driving record
will be of no help to you.