Re: Now, student visas revoked for unknown reasons

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 18, 2025 at 12:41:06 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 18, 2025 at 11:20:31 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

Tue, 8 Apr 2025 04:35:15 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

Trump administration is revoking student visas of students not connected
to anti-Israeli protests.

https://apnews.com/article/f1-visa-international-college-student-trump-9d4d900d328a0c205503c1178e70f1d5

I read that article and it specifically mentioned deportation orders
had been given in quite a few cases where student visas were being
cancelled after the student in question had either dropped out or
graduated.

That doesn't sound shocking to me - decades ago my mother studied in
the US on a student visa (not shocking - a Vancouver girl studying in
Seattle) and after graduation applied for and got the standard green
card. (Also not shocking as she was by then married to an American)

(One of the few things I regret is having mislaid her actual card as I
had it in my filing cabinet after her death which was 35+ years after
her US studies.)

Of course it's shocking. If the student is no longer studying or
graduated, there is no reason to automatically deport him

That's a visa overstay. If you've graduated, you're no longer a
student so your student visa has expired. You need to either apply
for some other permit to be in the U.S. or go home. Just ignoring it
and continuing to live here makes you an illegal alien.

Yes, a student visa is a time-limited visa and the visa holder has to
remain a student in order to renew it, but the visa does not expire the
instant of graduation or end of term. There is a reasonable transition
period. If the student takes summer off, which is typical for
undergrads, he's not off visa between his freshman and sophomore years.

That's because he's still enrolled in the university. Once graduation occurs,
that's no longer the case.

I'm not looking up the exact language but the law says something like
making reasonable progress toward graduation. If the student takes a
full year off between academic years and it's not a university-sponsored
program, at some point, the visa will have expired without renewal.

More to the point, graduation isn't something that happens unexpectedly
out of the blue. A student knows when he/she is graduating months in
advance and should make the appropriate arrangements for post-graduation
status ahead of time.

All he can do is find an employer to sponsor his visa. Even H1-B won't
put him on an immigration track.

. . .

The time present in the United States on a student visa didn't have
short end points like a tourist visa.

The student visa issue is one of those utter bullshit problems with the
visa system. We are talking about foreign nationals with an American
college education. Hell, some even obtain doctorates. How the hell are
these people undesireable aliens?

No one said they're undesirable but if they intentionally or negligently
become visa overstays, then there are consequences for that.

US law has put them in the undesireable category because they are NOT
put into one of the categories for desireable aliens whose green card
applications aren't subject to decades long waiting periods and national
quotas.

So Congress needs to change the law. That's not relevant to someone who
has graduated today and hasn't made any arrangements with the government
to change their status

You may not agree with me that it should be in immigration law, but you
do agree with me that it's not in current immigration law.

I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about.

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