Re: Nazi White Supremacist Trump Seizes On Videos Of A Fringe South African Politician As Evidence Of Threats To White Farmers

On 2025-05-22 3:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2025-05-22 1:32 PM, Adam H. Kerman:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

May 22, 2025 at 6:32:48 AM PDT, "Marmalade King" <x@y.com> wrote:

 

Evan Vucci / The Associated Press
By Nicholas Riccardi, Ali Swenson And Mogomotsi Magome The Associated Press

 

NEW YORK (AP) President Donald Trump confronted South African President
Cyril Ramaphosa on Wednesday with claims that white farmers are being
targeted and killed in the country.

 

Trumps main evidence, compiled in a video shown during their Oval Office
meeting: Speeches by a politician who was kicked out of Ramaphosas party,
is not part of the coalition that governs the country and whose own
political movement garnered less than 10% of the vote in last years
elections.

 

President Donald Trump and South Africa's president exchanged tense
words in the Oval Office Wednedsay over Trump's baseless claims of
the systematic killing of white farmers. At one point Trump showed
a video of white crosses, which he said memorialized white farmers
who were killed.

 

The Trump administration has used the rhetoric of a fringe politician and
South Africas endemic violence as justification for allowing white South
Africans to apply to become refugees in the United States

 

Fifty-nine people. The same people who had no problem with Biden
throwing open the border and allowing 15 *million* to flood into the
country unchecked and unvetted, breaking the budgets of the major
cities, are suddenly running for the fainting couch over 59 people
for no other reason than that they're white.

 

It doesn't matter if Trump let them in. I am in favor of immigration,
and deporting immigrants convicted of felonies.

 

Trump can and should be criticized for claiming they were refugees
lacking evidence of ethnic cleansing or whatever. The crosses weren't a
burial site but a makeshift memorial to a local family that had been
killed in a disaster, not ethnic cleansing,

 

He's doing it as a favor to Elon Musk.

 

Do you know that for a fact or are you just assuming because Musk was
born in South Africa and obviously has Trump's ear on some matters?

 Anything Trump does that ends up being in the interest of justice is
mere happenstance.
 

That may be a little harsh. Then again, maybe not....

There have been plenty of news reports that Musk had personally lobbied
Trump on this issue. No, I don't believe Trump learned of these reports
independently of Musk or would have cared if not for Musk.
 

So you're not asserting it as a fact. Good, then I won't need to ask you where you read that ;-)
Look, I don't know what happens in a typical day at the White House. Trump may get all kinds of different people approaching him about things. He may even scan news sources on his own for all I know. I *do* know that this issue of violence experienced by farmers (and their families and employees) has been going on for years and even Trump may have heard about it by now.

I'm toning down my own rhetoric here. Since BTR1701 raised a couple of
points, I looked for and read newspaper coverage. Yes, there does appear
to be a very serious issue.
 

Indeed, it is.

Trump ended the special status for Venezuelans. Why the fuck is he
sending people back who were forced to leave, REJECTING communism? THey
couldn't be said to be coming to America to change our society. They
would have thrived here. Many of them would have met refugee status
better than these farmers.

 

I can't help but agree with you on that. The Venezuelans are at risk if
they go home. (The Haitians are too.) I don't know if the Venezuelans
will get a chance to skedaddle over the border into adjacent countries
like Columbia like so many of their compatriots or if Madura will arrest
them when they land and put them straight into jail.

 They're screwed.
 

It's fair for you to call out hypocrisy in others, but you might have
also called out Trump's hypocrisy with regard to the Venesualens,

 

Freedom Fighters to argue that South Africa is engaged in genocide against
white farmers, a contention that seemed to baffle Malemas main political
rival, Ramaphosa, during his Oval Office visit. Ramaphosa repeatedly
stressed that EFF is a small minority party.

 

That doesn't mean the murders and rapes and arsons and theft aren't
happening.

 

Where are the reports? It's just hand waiving right now.

 

Challenge accepted (even though it wasn't me challenged ;-)

 

Take a look at this for starters:

 Heh. My challenge was to Trump, not BTR1701.

Ah, that wasn't clear to me; I thought you meant BTR1701. In either case, I just happened to be in a mood where I wanted to find some hard proof backing up these assertions, which I first heard years ago.

But in writing a subsequent
followup, I had found newspaper stories.
 I'll watch the stuff you found later. Thank you.

--
Rhino