Re: Self defense injustice in the UK

On 6/5/2025 5:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

On Jun 5, 2025 at 1:22:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

On 6/5/2025 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

  On Jun 5, 2025 at 11:32:30 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
 

  On 6/5/2025 1:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    On Jun 5, 2025 at 8:26:42 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
   

    On 6/5/2025 12:57 AM, BTR1701 wrote:

      On Jun 4, 2025 at 5:06:29 PM PDT, "The Horny Goat" <lcraver@home.ca>
  wrote:
     

      On Sat, 31 May 2025 22:48:37 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
      wrote:
>

      I'm guessing that, if he'd tried instead to choke her to death, then her
      knifing him would've been allowed as self-defense ...suggesting that
      rape isn't a serious enough offense to warrant lethal reprisal.
>

      I'm undecided where exactly the dividing line should be in
      self-defence cases but it definitely ought to be shy of "lie back and
      think of the Empire"!

            I you've broken into my home, then you're leaving in a body bag if
I have
      anything to say about it. My dividing line is the threshold of the
  doors and
      windows.

>
    Well, that does kinda elevate simple burglary into a capital crime.

      If you don't want to be shot to death while breaking into someone's home to
  steal from them, there's a 100% effective way of guaranteeing that never
  happens to you: don't break into people's homes and steal from them.

>
  That has a smidgen of resonance with "let them eat cake".

    No one has a right to my property and they certainly don't have a right to
put
  me and my family in danger when trying to take it.
    Fuck around and find out.

>
Chest-thumping aside... your proposed law, as I extrapolate it, awards a
homeowner cancellation rights over the life of any intruder.

 Pretty much, yeah. If you're breaking into my home, I presume you to be a
danger to me and mine. To do otherwise is suicidal. And regardless, even if
they're only there to steal and I can somehow know this as they're kicking in
my front door, I'm neither legally nor morally required to abandon my home to
thieves or stand aside and let them have their way with my property.
 And more to the point, if *you* value my TV more than your own life, why
should I do any different?
...

But "I" thought you were gone for the evening ...so my *intent* was larcenous but not physically threatening.  E.g., do you think we should shoot shoplifters, who afaics have the same lack of principle?