Re: Los Angeles Has Surrendered

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Jun 11, 2025 at 9:38:54 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

How weird is it that one of the main Dem criticisms of Trump on Jan6
is that he refused to call in the national guard to put down the
insurrection and how that makes him culpable for what the rioters
did. But now that he *has* called in the national guard to put down
an insurrection, those same Dems say it's needlessly provocative and
only makes the situation worse.

Which is it? Is calling the national guard appropriate to stop a riot or
inappropriate? Pick a lane, lefties.

Washington D.C. is a federal enclave. The mayor is not the equivalent of
a governor and does not have command of a National Guard unit. Whenever
they need the Guard, they make the request to the president.

That's not the case in California.

Regardless, the Dem position was that the riot at the Capitol was serious
enough to warrant deploying the guard. If *that* riot was serious enough,
then this one certainly is, so calling in the guard would be appropriate
and if the governor and mayor won't, then it's falls to the president
to do so.

But that's only true if Dems are logically consistent and not huge
hypocrites, something they struggle mightily with, I'll grant you.

You are makng an obvious point, that Democratic politicians almost
always take the wrong course of action in response to civil unrest.
But if you are not willing to provide an informed or reasoned opinion,
is this any less of a cheap shot than when I say "moviePig has already
won" in response to serious infringements upon liberty?

C'mon.

The National Guard wasn't in place BEFORE opening of the electoral
ballots on January 6, 2021, because Capitol Hill security was in the
hands of politicians who were very concerned about television images of
soldiers inside the Capitol rotunda, making it appear that this was a
third-world shithole country under a military dictatorship. There were
plenty of reports that an insurrection attempt was being organized that
were not taken seriously by the politicians. Nancy Pelosi was one of the
politicians making decisions about what was necessary for security, not
a professional.

If the National Guard callout had been organized early, even a few days
before, it would have been a routine matter that Trump simply would have
signed off on.

Trump's complicity in this is that, during the crisis, he damn well knew
these were his supporters. Not only didn't he intend to have troops
suppressing the riot to prevent insurrection, he damn well wanted to
lead them into the Capitol, to seized power. Secret Service prevented
this as the Capitol (and I suppose the Supreme Court) is the one place
the president cannot enter without invitation.

As far as Friday, June 6, 2025, no, we didn't need the National Guard,
let alone the Marines.

What we needed was Karen Bass ordering the police to regain control of
the places that demonstrations were taking place once it became obvious
that they weren't peaceably ending the demonstrations and just going
home. ANYONE observed looting, committing arson and vandalism, or
committing some violent act should have been arrested immediately.

In Paramount? If they didn't have a large enough police force, I suppose
they could have requested sheriff's police.

It all should have ended within hours and not allowed to become a
multi-day affair.