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So, that means you can't make sense of anything he would say to you toThat's the point. I don't. I have to accept a doctor's decision on my>Because the AI can't *explain* its "reasoning" to you, you have no way>
of updating your assessment of its (likely) correctness -- esp in
THIS instance.
I'm not sure I get why it's so essential to have AI explain its reasons.
Do you ever ask questions of your doctor, plumber, lawyer, spouse, etc.?
Why do THEY have to explain their reasons? You /prima facie/ actions
suggest you HIRED those folks for their expertise; why do you now need
an explanation their actions/decisions instead of just blindly accepting
them?
treatment because I am not medically trained.
No "anger" or embarassment, here. We just couldn't contain the factI would have said two million gallons just for the pleasure of watching youIf I need some plumbing done I don't expect the plumber to give detailed>
reasons why a specific type of pipe was chosen. I just want it done.
If you suspect that he may not be competent -- or may be motivated by
greed -- then you would likely want some further information to reinforce
your opinion/suspicions.
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We hired folks to paint the house many years ago. One of the questions
that I would ask (already KNOWING the nominal answer) is "How much paint
do you think it will take?" This chosen because it sounds innocent
enough that a customer would likely ask it.
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One candidate answered "300 gallons". At which point, I couldn't
contain the afront: "We're not painting a f***ing BATTLESHIP!"
go red in the face.
One assumes that he has painted OTHER homes and has some recollection ofI.e., his outrageous reply told me:I would have likely given him the job. Those who are good at painting houses
- he's not competent enough to estimate a job's complexity WHEN
EVERY ASPECT OF IT IS VISIBLE FOR PRIOR INSPECTION
*or*
- he's a crook thinking he can take advantage of a "dumb homeowner"
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In either case, he was disqualified BY his "reasoning".
aren't necessarily good at estimating exactly how much paint they will need.
They just buy more paint as needed.
The point is that NO ONE can! Even the folks who designed and implementedIn the cases where AIs are surpassing human abilities (being ableIt's true that you may want to understand their reasoning but it's likely
to perceive relationships that aren't (yet?) apparent to humans,
it seems only natural that you would want to UNDERSTAND their
"reasoning". Especially in cases where there is no chaining
of facts but, rather, some "hidden pattern" perceived.
that you might have to accept that you can't.
Then your cost of learning is steep. I want to know how to RECOGNIZESure I do, but I'm very slow to get better at chess. I tend to make rashIf I want to play chess with a computer I don't expect it to give>
detailed
reasons why it made each move. I just expect it to win if it's set to
much
above beginner level.
Then you don't expect to LEARN from the chess program.
decisions when playing chess.
But you don't know how you GOT to that point so you don't know howWhen I learned to play chess, my neighbor (teacher) wouldI usually spot my error immediately when the computer makes me look stupid.
make a point of showing me what I had overlooked in my
play and why that led to the consequences that followed.
If I had a record of moves made (from which I could incrementally
recreate the gameboard configuration), I *might* have spotted
my error.
You have someone SKILLED IN THE ART at hand. Instead of asking HIM,As the teacher (AI in this case) is ultimately a product ofI don't agree. Learning something like that does not depend on the plumber
current students (who grow up to become teachers, refined
by their experiences as students), we evolve in our
capabilities as a society.
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If the plumber never explains his decisions, then the
homeowner never learns (e.g., don't over-tighten the
hose bibb lest you ruin the washer inside and need
me to come out, again, to replace it!)
explaining his decisions.
So, everything in the world is a chess game? Apparently so as youSure but so what. Most chess games between humans are not about teaching.A human chess player may be able to give detailed reasons for making a>
specific move but would not usually be aske to do this.
If the human was expected to TEACH then those explanations would be
essential TO that teaching!
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If the student was wanting to LEARN, then he would select a player that
was capable of teaching!
I guess all the bruhaha about the middle east is a hallucination? Or,Humans generally don't care much for people they have no personal knowledge>The AI doesn't care about you, one way or the other. Any "bias" in>
its conclusions has been baked in from the training data/process.
Same with humans.
That's not universally true. If it was, then all decisions would
be completely motivated for personal gain.
of.
I watch the amount of time my MD gives me above and beyond the "15 minute slot"If they are, say, a doctor then yes you can ask questions about your>Do you know what that data was? Can you assess its bias? Do the folks>
who *compiled* the training data know? Can they "tease" the bias out
of the data -- or, are they oblivious to its presence?
Humans have the same issue. You can't see into another person's brain to
see
what bias they may have.
Exactly. But, you can pose questions of them and otherwise observe their
behaviors in unrelated areas and form an opinion.
treatment but you can't otherwise observe their behavior.
It speaks to bias. Bias that people have and either ignore orI've a neighbor who loudly claims NOT to be racist. But, if you take theI'm not following what that has to do with AI.
whole of your experiences with him and the various comments he has made,
over the years (e.g., not shopping at a particular store because there
are lots of blacks living in the apartment complex across the street
from said store -- meaning lots of them SHOP in that store!), it's
not hard to come to that conclusion.
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He also is very vocal about The Border (an hour from here). Yet,
ALWAYS hires mexicans. Does he ever check to see if they are here
legally? Entitled to work? Or, is he really only concerned with
the price they charge?
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When you (I) speak to other neighbors about his behavior, do they
offer similar conclusions as to his "character"?
If you believe the literature, there are all sorts of populationsI may not want it but it's possible it could exist.>Lots of blacks in prison. Does that "fact" mean that blacks are>
more criminally inclined? Or, that they are less skilled at evading
the consequences of their crimes? Or, that there is a bias in the
legal/enforcement system?
I don't see how that's relevant to AI which I think is just as capable of
bias as humans are.
Fact contraindicates bias. So, bias -- anywhere -- s a distortion of
"Truth".
Would you want your doctor to give a different type of care to your wife
than to you? Because of a (hidden?) bias in favor of men (or, against
women)?
if you were that female, how would you regard that bias?
It might be the case that I could do nothing about it.
I am always looking for opportunities to learn. How can you be so criticalOh. Now I get why we're having this discussion.>All sorts of "criminals" ("rapists", "drug dealers", etc) allegedly>
coming
into our (US) country. Or, is that just hyperbole ("illegal" immigrants
tend to commit FEWER crimes)? Will the audience be biased in its
acceptance/rejection of that "assertion"?
Who knows, but whether it's human or AI it will have it's own personality
and its own biases.
But we, in assessing "others" strive to identify those biases (unless we
want
to blindly embrace them as "comforting/reinforcing").
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I visit a friend, daily, who is highly prejudiced, completely opposite
in terms of my political, spiritual, etc. beliefs, hugely different
values, etc. He is continually critical of my appearance, how I
dress, the hours that I sleep, where I shop, what I spend money on
(and what I *don't*), etc. And, I just smile and let his comments roll
off me. SWMBO asks why I spend *any* time with him.
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"I find it entertaining!" (!!)
Agreed. But, I don't hesitate to eek out an education in the process.By contrast, I am NOT the sort who belongs to organizations, churches,I don't enjoy having others do my thinking for me but I'm happy to let them
etc. ("group think"). It's much easier to see the characteristics of and
flaws *in* these things (and people) from the outside than to wrap
yourself
in their culture. If you are sheeple, you likely enjoy having others
do your thinking FOR you...
do so in areas where I have no expertise.
AIs aren't omnipotent. Someone has to design, build, feed and power them.Who says we have the ultimate authority to ignore AI if it gets clevererWhich is why I started this with "One thing which bothers me about AI is>
that if it's like us but way more
intelligent than us then..."
What's to fear, there? If *you* have the ultimate authority to make
YOUR decisions, then you can choose to ignore the "recommendations"
of an AI just like you can ignore the recommendations of human
"experts"/professionals.
that us?
How? Do you think comics don't appraise their own creations BEFOREI would expect it to generate humor the same way humans do.>>Now it's looking like I might live long enough to get to type something>
like
Prompt: Create a new episode of Blake's Seven.
The question is whether or not you will be able to see a GOOD episode.
I think AI will learn the difference between a good or not so good
episode
just like humans do.
How would it learn? Would *it* be able to perceive the "goodness" of
the episode? If so, why produce one that it didn't think was good?
HUMANS release non-good episodes because there is a huge cost to
making it that has already been incurred. An AI could just scrub the
disk and start over. What cost, there?
>Particularly if it gets plenty of feedback from humans about whether or>
not
they liked the episode it produced.
That assumes people will be the sole REACTIVE judge of completed
episodes. Part of what makes entertainment entertaining is
the unexpected. Jokes are funny because someone has noticed a
relationship between two ideas in a way that others have not,
previously. Stories leave lasting impressions when executed well
*or* when a twist catches viewers offguard.
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Would an AI create something like Space Balls? Would it perceive the
humor in the various corny "bits" sprinkled throughout? How would
YOU explain the humor to it?
The opening sequence to Buckaroo Banzai has the protagonist driving aSame way it might appreciate this:
"jet car" THROUGH a (solid) mountain, via the 8th dimension. After
the drag chute deploys and WHILE the car is rolling to a stop, the
driver climbs out through a window. The camera remains closely
focused on the driver's MASKED face (you have yet to see it unmasked)
while the car continuous to roll away behind him. WHILE YOUR ATTENTION
IS FOCUSED ON THE ACTOR "REVEALING" HIMSELF, the jet car "diesels"
quietly (because it is now at a distance). Would the AI appreciate THAT
humor? It *might* repeat that scene in one of its creations -- but,
only after having SEEN it, elsewhere. Or, without understanding the
humor and just assuming dieseling to be a common occurrence in ALL
vehicles!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYJ5_wqlQPg
>It might then play itself a few million created episodes to refine its>
ability to judge good ones.
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