Re: switchmode gyrator

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Sujet : Re: switchmode gyrator
De : pcdhSpamMeSenseless (at) *nospam* electrooptical.net (Phil Hobbs)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 12. Nov 2024, 20:48:38
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Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 11/12/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:49:13 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
 
On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 06:08:40 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
 
 
 
Inductors are awful. Their energy storage is worse than electrolytic
caps by about a factor of 1000.
 
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/326177/energy-density-comparison-between-inductors-and-capacitors
 
One could in theory make a switchmode gyrator that would make a
capacitor look like a programmable-value inductor.
 
I have an application for that, but it would take too much engineering
and runtime complexity to make it worth doing. I guess I'll just have
to buy a bunch of giant, heavy custom toroids.
 
I'm sure that there are other reasons why an inductor
will be used besides the lack of time/energy/resources
to 'design them out'.
 
Energy storage is just one means to an end.
 
RL
 
Sure. We want to design some dummy loads that will simulate relays,
solenoids, stepper motors, torque motors, with programmable R and L.
Seemed to me that using caps to make fake inductors would be a good
way to do that.
 
It's at least an interesting idea to play with. Maybe we can
switchmode simulate R+L all at once. We would have to store energy and
dissipate power to do that.
 
Relays and motors do not behave like simple inductors. For example,
while a relay armature is moving, the back EMF is high enough to
make the current _drop_ briefly. Modelling that requires more than
a simple gyrator.
 
Jeroen Belleman
 
 

PM DC motors look capacitive over a broad frequency range.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs  Principal Consultant  ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics  Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Nov 24 * switchmode gyrator19john larkin
12 Nov 24 `* Re: switchmode gyrator18legg
12 Nov 24  `* Re: switchmode gyrator17john larkin
12 Nov 24   +* Re: switchmode gyrator15Jeroen Belleman
12 Nov 24   i+- Re: switchmode gyrator1Phil Hobbs
12 Nov 24   i`* Re: switchmode gyrator13john larkin
13 Nov 24   i +* Re: switchmode gyrator4Liz Tuddenham
13 Nov 24   i i`* Re: switchmode gyrator3john larkin
14 Nov 24   i i `* Re: switchmode gyrator2legg
14 Nov 24   i i  `- Re: switchmode gyrator1john larkin
13 Nov 24   i +* Re: switchmode gyrator2legg
13 Nov 24   i i`- Re: switchmode gyrator1john larkin
13 Nov 24   i +- Re: switchmode gyrator1legg
15 Nov 24   i +* Re: switchmode gyrator3john larkin
15 Nov 24   i i`* Re: switchmode gyrator2Phil Hobbs
15 Nov 24   i i `- Re: switchmode gyrator1john larkin
16 Nov 24   i `* Re: switchmode gyrator2Tom Del Rosso
16 Nov 24   i  `- Re: switchmode gyrator1john larkin
13 Nov 24   `- Re: switchmode gyrator1legg

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