Re: "RESET"

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Sujet : Re: "RESET"
De : jl (at) *nospam* glen--canyon.com (john larkin)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 25. May 2025, 00:28:57
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On Sat, 24 May 2025 15:34:03 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

I don't quite understand the need for "reset" buttons on products.
>
That function is always available by cycling power -- even for devices
where that is difficult for the user (e.g., PoE, BBU, etc.)

Power switches are not real any more. Mo's cable TV hangs up about
once a month and the fix is to unplug it, wait a while, and plug it
back in. Then it reloads its code from somewhere, for about 15
minutes. So she misses the murder.

>
Shouldn't a device be able to get itself out of a "pickle" without
requiring the user to intervene?  Particularly devices that are
intended to "run forever"?
>
I.e., it seems like the presence of a reset button is a tacit admission
that the engineering is "lacking"...

It is.

We are living in the Dark Age of electronics. A bazillion hackers are
designing a zillion cheap products, with basically no discipline.

I wonder if things will ever get better. It would take a really good
OS and some state-machine sort of language that really works. And a
lot of serious reviewing and testing.

And some legally-binding rules about user interfaces. In another
hundrd years maybe.

Hardware is better than software, mostly because it's more expensive
to fix.


Date Sujet#  Auteur
24 May 25 * "RESET"42Don Y
24 May 25 +- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
25 May 25 +- Re: "RESET"1john larkin
25 May 25 +* Re: "RESET"26Carlos E. R.
25 May 25 i+* Re: "RESET"3Don Y
25 May 25 ii`* Re: "RESET"2Carlos E. R.
25 May 25 ii `- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
27 May 25 i+* Re: "RESET"20Don Y
28 May 25 ii`* Re: "RESET"19Joe Gwinn
28 May 25 ii +- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
28 May 25 ii `* Re: "RESET"17David Brown
28 May 25 ii  `* Re: "RESET"16Joe Gwinn
30 May 25 ii   `* Re: "RESET"15David Brown
30 May 25 ii    `* Re: "RESET"14Joe Gwinn
4 Jun 25 ii     `* Re: "RESET"13David Brown
4 Jun 25 ii      +* Re: "RESET"8Joe Gwinn
4 Jun 25 ii      i`* Re: "RESET"7David Brown
4 Jun 25 ii      i `* Re: "RESET"6Joe Gwinn
5 Jun 25 ii      i  +* Re: "RESET"2David Brown
5 Jun 25 ii      i  i`- Re: "RESET"1Carlos E.R.
5 Jun 25 ii      i  `* Re: "RESET"3Martin Brown
5 Jun 25 ii      i   +- Re: "RESET"1Joe Gwinn
5 Jun 25 ii      i   `- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
6 Jun 25 ii      +* Re: "RESET"3David Brown
6 Jun 25 ii      i`* Re: "RESET"2Carlos E.R.
10 Jun 25 ii      i `- Re: "RESET"1David Brown
6 Jun 25 ii      `- Re: "RESET"1john larkin
28 May 25 i`* Re: "RESET"2Martin Brown
28 May 25 i `- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
25 May 25 +* Re: "RESET"6Ralph Mowery
25 May 25 i+* Re: "RESET"3Don Y
25 May 25 ii`* Re: "RESET"2Carlos E. R.
25 May 25 ii `- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
25 May 25 i`* Re: "RESET"2Carlos E. R.
25 May 25 i `- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
25 May 25 +* Re: "RESET"2Ian
25 May 25 i`- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
25 May 25 +* Re: "RESET"2Theo
25 May 25 i`- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
25 May 25 `* Re: "RESET"3Martin Brown
25 May 25  +- Re: "RESET"1Don Y
25 May 25  `- Re: "RESET"1Carlos E. R.

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