Sujet : Re: The Physics Behind the Spanish Blackout
De : bill.sloman (at) *nospam* ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
Groupes : sci.electronics.designDate : 11. Jun 2025, 07:07:37
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On 11/06/2025 4:21 am, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 02:17:45 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-06-10 01:03, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 22:14:54 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
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On 2025-06-09 01:15, Joe Gwinn wrote:
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The Physics Behind the Spanish Blackout, Bjorn Lomborg, Wall Street
Journal, 3 June 2025 issue, page A13.
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Here is a gift link. No paywall, but they will insist on trying to
persuade you to subscribe.
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.<https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-physics-behind-the-spanish-blackout-solar-and-wind-power-unstable-grid-8be54b2a?st=VUVUMR&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink>
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Politically biased opinion.
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Maybe, maybe not, but no matter - inertia and conservation of energy
are not. And the finance world doesn't want to bet on the wrong
horse.
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It's true that there are many possible technical remedies, but none of
them are in place. If they were, we would not be having this
discussion.
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Remedies, for what exactly? We still do not know what was the problem.
And will not know for several months.
Weeks? Unlikely in the extreme. Whatever the pending report says, it
will get the full wire-brush scrub by everybody, a process that will
yield many causalities. So we also need time for the political
funerals.
Also see below.
It will be many years and billions for anything of the kind to be
implemented at sufficient scale, and to mature enough to depend on.
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Blaming anything for the blackout is
reckless, when done before the detailed analysis is completed.
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I quite agree, but holding off for a year or two is a form of
unilateral political disarmament. Politicians are rarely saints.
Neither are news reporters.
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You can not put a solution to a problem that nobody knows what it is.
What are you going to do? You do something so that the public is happy,
and when a year passes, we find out that the problem is totally
different, and the effort and money was wasted on a useless mistaken
solution!
Yes, all true, but the politicians and news reporters don't care in
the slightest.
The only solution is to create better politicians and news reporters?
It is often proposed, by those same politicians and reporters.
Sometimes replacement does happen. And nothing changes. Hmm.
Reporters and politicians frequently don't know enough. English language "science" reporters - at least for the main-stream press - never seem to have studied any kind of science. This wasn't true in the Netherlands and the mainstream press science reporting there was a whole lot more reliable than it had been in England and is now in Australia.
The Spanish problem is probably the same one that the world's first grid scale battery solved back in 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_ReservePeople have posted stuff here claiming that if couldn't possibly work, but it is still working fine and has been copied in other Australian states and even in California (where the completed installation works fine, though a bit of it went up in flames during installation).
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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