Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report

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Sujet : Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report
De : '''newspam''' (at) *nospam* nonad.co.uk (Martin Brown)
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Date : 18. Jun 2025, 21:28:57
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On 18/06/2025 19:37, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-06-18 09:39, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
[...]
...the minister for
ecological transition, Sara Aagesen
[...]
the
"system did not have enough dynamic voltage capacity".
[...]
did not absorb all the voltage
they were supposed to when tension was high," she said,
>
The usual nonsense we have come to expect from 'factual' reports.
Ignorant minister?  Ignorant reporter?  ...or both.
 The report was written by a committee of experts. Fifty, I think.
       The committee studying the blackout is made up of representatives of the Ministry for Ecological Transition and the
       Demographic Challenge (MITECO), the Presidency of the Government, the Ministry of Defence and the Ministry of the
       Interior. Specifically, the Department of Homeland Security, the National Intelligence Centre, the General Staff and the
       National Centre for the Protection of Critical Infrastructure are involved.
 https://www.miteco.gob.es/es/prensa/ultimas-noticias/2025/abril/el-gobierno-crea-el-comite-para-el-analisis-de-la-crisis-de-elec.html
#:~:text=Adem%C3%A1s%20del%20MITECO%2C%20el%20Comit%C3%A9%20est%C3%A1%20integrado,medio%20del%20Centro%20Nacional%20de%20Protecci%C3
       %B3n%20de [www.miteco.gob.es]
         The blackout, which occurred on 28 April 2025, affected the Iberian Peninsula, including Spain, Portugal and Andorra, and
       extended as far south as France. The power outage caused disruptions to essential services such as hospitals, airports and
       telecommunications networks. The causes of the blackout are being investigated by this committee.
Until they publish a detailed explanation of how it was that a predictable surge of power from solar PV at high noon was able to bring down the *entire* Spanish grid it looks like a white wash to me.
Also exactly what order the cascade failure occurred in (and name and prosecute the companies that they claim did not follow the rules).
If that claim is true then they were culpable for the failure.
Comparable UK reports name all the players involved and exactly what happened at each site and when. See for example the report on our fairly spectacular summer failure in 2023 - this is a summary:
https://reports.electricinsights.co.uk/q3-2019/the-blackout/
NESO seem to have conveniently deleted the original National Grid technical report from their site :(   Aha found it:
https://www.neso.energy/document/152346/download
And that is what a proper investigation report ought to look like!
--
Martin Brown

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 Jun 25 * Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report25Carlos E.R.
18 Jun 25 +* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report19Liz Tuddenham
18 Jun 25 i+* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report10Martin Brown
18 Jun 25 ii+* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report3Liz Tuddenham
18 Jun 25 iii`* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report2Martin Brown
18 Jun 25 iii `- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report1Liz Tuddenham
19 Jun 25 ii`* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report6Bill Sloman
19 Jun 25 ii `* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report5Carlos E.R.
19 Jun 25 ii  `* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report4Martin Brown
19 Jun 25 ii   +* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report2Bill Sloman
19 Jun 25 ii   i`- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report1Carlos E.R.
19 Jun 25 ii   `- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report1Carlos E.R.
18 Jun 25 i`* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report8Carlos E.R.
18 Jun 25 i +* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report3Joe Gwinn
18 Jun 25 i i`* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report2Carlos E.R.
18 Jun 25 i i `- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report1Joe Gwinn
18 Jun 25 i +* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report3Martin Brown
18 Jun 25 i i`* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report2Carlos E.R.
19 Jun 25 i i `- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report1Martin Brown
18 Jun 25 i `- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report1Liz Tuddenham
18 Jun 25 +- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report1Martin Brown
21 Jun 25 +* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), battery stations are being constructed2Carlos E.R.
21 Jun 25 i`- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), battery stations are being constructed1Martin Brown
25 Jun19:18 `* Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), new regulation2Carlos E.R.
26 Jun06:34  `- Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), new regulation1Bill Sloman

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