Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’

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Sujet : Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’
De : benlizro (at) *nospam* ihug.co.nz (Ross Clark)
Groupes : sci.lang
Date : 25. Apr 2024, 14:13:24
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On 25/04/2024 6:43 p.m., Aidan Kehoe wrote:
 Speaking (in sci.lang) of Andy Grove, he uses waffle in the above sense in his
good, well-edited ‘High Output Management.’ In my youth I would only have used
or understood the word in the meaning ‘to ramble on, to say nothing of much
consequence,’ and OED2 documents that the fail-to-make-a-decision sense is
colloquial or non-standard.
 I presume I have misunderstood various Americans over the years in not picking
up on the ‘dither’ meaning. How universal is that meaning over there?
A curious case. The two senses seem to me worth distinguishing, but pretty close to each other, so that some slippage or ambiguity would not be surprising.
A few more data points:
OED has the verb derived as a frequentative from "waff", an onomatopoetic dog vocalization (they say "yelp", but that doesn't seem quite right).
Clear attestation of both senses begins ca.1900.
The "dither" sense is said to be "Originally Scottish and northern dialect. Now colloquial or nonstandard."
The "blather" sense is not marked as dialectally restricted.
 From my point of observation: Deverson (NZOxDic) gives both senses for NZ. I think I hear "blather" more frequently.
My Macquarie (Aus, 1981) has:
(v) 1. to speak or write vaguely, pointlessly, and at considerable length;
2. to talk or write nonsense
(n) 3. verbosity in the service of superficial thought;
4. nonsense; twaddle
...all of which look like variants of "blather".
AHD (American, ca.1970) has neither -- no verb "waffle".
I can't make M-W work on this machine; so awaiting information on its current status in the USA, I would say: If Andy Grove (Hungarian-American) didn't pick it (the "dither" sense) up there, I'm guessing he is a man of enough experience and reading that he could have heard/read it from UK sources. (It may be "colloquial", but it does appear in print.)

Date Sujet#  Auteur
25 Apr 24 * To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’33Aidan Kehoe
25 Apr 24 +* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'6Steve Hayes
25 Apr 24 i`* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'5Aidan Kehoe
26 Apr 24 i `* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'4Steve Hayes
26 Apr 24 i  `* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'3Aidan Kehoe
26 Apr 24 i   `* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'2Chris Elvidge
26 Apr 24 i    `- Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'1lar3ryca
25 Apr 24 +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’4Ross Clark
25 Apr 24 i`* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’3Christian Weisgerber
26 Apr 24 i `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Tilde
28 Apr 24 i  `- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Antonio Marques
25 Apr 24 +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’19jerryfriedman
25 Apr 24 i+* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’17Bertel Lund Hansen
26 Apr 24 ii+- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Peter Moylan
28 Apr 24 ii`* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’15Antonio Marques
29 Apr 24 ii +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Bertel Lund Hansen
29 Apr 24 ii i`- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Antonio Marques
30 Apr 24 ii `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’12jerryfriedman
30 Apr 24 ii  `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’11Antonio Marques
30 Apr 24 ii   `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’10jerryfriedman
1 May 24 ii    `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’9Antonio Marques
2 May 24 ii     +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’7Aidan Kehoe
2 May 24 ii     i+- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Snidely
4 May 24 ii     i`* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’5jerryfriedman
24 Jun 24 ii     i `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’4Aidan Kehoe
24 Jun 24 ii     i  `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’3jerryfriedman
24 Jun 24 ii     i   `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Antonio Marques
25 Jun 24 ii     i    `- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1jerryfriedman
4 May 24 ii     `- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1jerryfriedman
25 Apr 24 i`- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1lar3ryca
25 Apr 24 +- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Christian Weisgerber
25 Apr 24 `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Tony Cooper
25 Apr 24  `- Re: To waffle, ?to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither?1LionelEdwards

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