Re: Official German spelling update

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Sujet : Re: Official German spelling update
De : ram (at) *nospam* zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Groupes : sci.lang
Date : 17. Jul 2024, 20:17:59
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Organisation : Stefan Ram
Message-ID : <viel-20240717191526@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>
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Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote or quoted:
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
|"viel" (or the Middle High German vil) was originally used as
|a noun that entailed a partitive genitive. As you can see
The omission of the partitive is akin a bit to when the "of"
is dropped in "a couple friends." Compare that also to German:
"eine Art von Zahlwort" -> "eine Art Zahlwort".
Can one still say 'viel Danks/Glücks', or would that be wrong outright?

  It's possible that there are regions where this is allowed,
  but to me it sounds wrong.

  (It can be found in some editions of "Nathan der Weise" (1779)
  [Lessing 1729/1781] and other old texts.)

  For me, it's not so much the genitive here as the absence of
  an article that sounds wrong. "Ich wünsche viel des Glücks!",
  with an article, would sound bizarre, but less wrong.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Jul 24 * Official German spelling update29Christian Weisgerber
10 Jul 24 +- Re: Official German spelling update1HenHanna
13 Jul 24 +* Re: Official German spelling update2Paul Carmichael
13 Jul 24 i`- Re: Official German spelling update1HenHanna
13 Jul 24 `* Re: Official German spelling update25Christian Weisgerber
13 Jul 24  `* Re: Official German spelling update24Aidan Kehoe
14 Jul 24   `* Re: Official German spelling update23Christian Weisgerber
14 Jul 24    `* Re: Official German spelling update22Antonio Marques
14 Jul 24     +* Re: Official German spelling update19Stefan Ram
14 Jul 24     i`* Re: Official German spelling update18Ruud Harmsen
15 Jul 24     i `* Re: Official German spelling update17Antonio Marques
15 Jul 24     i  +* Re: Official German spelling update15Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i+- Re: Official German spelling update1Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i`* Re: Official German spelling update13Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i +* Re: Official German spelling update2Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i i`- Re: Official German spelling update1Stefan Ram
16 Jul 24     i  i `* Re: Official German spelling update10Ruud Harmsen
16 Jul 24     i  i  +* Re: Official German spelling update8Antonio Marques
16 Jul 24     i  i  i`* Re: Official German spelling update7Stefan Ram
16 Jul 24     i  i  i +- Re: Official German spelling update1Helmut Richter
16 Jul 24     i  i  i `* Re: Official German spelling update5Stefan Ram
17 Jul 24     i  i  i  `* Re: Official German spelling update4Antonio Marques
17 Jul 24     i  i  i   +* Re: Official German spelling update2Stefan Ram
17 Jul 24     i  i  i   i`- Re: Official German spelling update1Stefan Ram
17 Jul 24     i  i  i   `- Re: Official German spelling update1Christian Weisgerber
16 Jul 24     i  i  `- Re: Official German spelling update1Antonio Marques
15 Jul 24     i  `- Re: Official German spelling update1Christian Weisgerber
14 Jul 24     +- Re: Official German spelling update1Christian Weisgerber
14 Jul 24     `- Re: Official German spelling update1Ruud Harmsen

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