Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:

I once jotted down something like
ˈɹʷʊˑuɿ ᵊɹ̩
and this guy was like, "I don't think that 'u' is stressed!".

|>>»law and order« /ˈlσːəndˈσːɹdəɹ/ [ˈlɔˑʚɻən(d)ˈσƍdʌ].
|In the phonetic transcription, indicating two syllables
|before the intrusive r is completely wrong
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Peter T. Daniels on 2018-01-07 15:39:25+00:00 in alt.usage.english,
Subject: Wisconsin accent?

  Dude's totally not grokking the [ɔˑʚ] sitch. He's barking up
  the wrong tree, thinking there are two syllables supposed to
  be before that sneaky R. Newsflash: it's actually a diphthong
  deal, with the front end dragging its feet a bit!

  Then he's got the cojones to throw shade at Luciano Canepari (see
  below). But get this - our boy Peter once dropped this nugget:
 
|Came out fine on my screen. Yes, of all the variants listed there, that's
|the one that seems most apt. Unfortunately it takes a diacritic and
|another diacritic, where it ought to be a unit symbol like the others.
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Peter T. Daniels on 2014-04-16 04:22:49+00:00 in alt.usage.english,
Subject: Eggcorns and self referential sets

  That's exactly Canepari's M.O. - swapping out those fancy-pants
  diacritics for plain Jane characters.

  Now, circle back and peep that OG quote from the top, but this
  time, it's the director's cut. No edits, baby.

|On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:03:50 AM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
|> On 2018-01-07 04:41:06 +0000, Stefan Ram said:
|>
|> > Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> writes:
|> >> Upstate New York?  Really?  Are you sure they didn't originally come
|> >> from the Midwest?
|> >
|> >   Canepari says that the typical New-York accent is
|> >   non-rhotic, and "thus" has linking r and is prone to
|> >   intrusive r practice. As an example he gives:
|> >   »law and order« /ˈlσːəndˈσːɹdəɹ/ [ˈlɔˑʚɻən(d)ˈσƍdʌ].
|>
|> That may have been true once, but, if I remember rightly, the late
|> lamented Larry Traske, who grew up in rural New York, said that it was
|> in the process of disappearing during his childhood: he said that he
|> himself spoke the old way, but his younger brother didn't.
|
|Who?
|
|What does "rural New York" mean? As was discussed just yesterday,  New York State comprises three
|very distinct dialect areas: New York City (with Long Island), Hudson Valley, and Midwest.
|There are no "rural" areas with New York City dialect.
|
|Canepari's notation is idiosyncratic, to say the least, but the "phonemic" transcription is anything
|but -- long vowels do not occur in closed syllables. PHONEMICALLY. In the phonetic transcription,
|indicating two syllables before the intrusive r is completely wrong, and the (d) is highly unlikely
|to say the least.
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Peter T. Daniels on 2018-01-07 15:39:25+00:00 in alt.usage.english,
Subject: Wisconsin accent?