Re: Somewheres

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Sujet : Re: Somewheres
De : rh (at) *nospam* rudhar.com (Ruud Harmsen)
Groupes : alt.usage.english sci.lang
Date : 24. Sep 2024, 08:11:57
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Mon, 23 Sep 2024 09:48:56 +1000: Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
scribeva:

On 22/09/24 23:37, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:57:14 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber
<naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:
>
I'm a bit sensitive to this because Italian and Spanish are
pro-drop languages, i.e., they omit the subject pronoun, except for
emphasis or disambiguation.  Spanish in particular does not
distinguish 1SG and 3SG in the imperfect, conditional, present
subjunctive, or imperfect subjunctive, and Spanish speakers seem to
feel little need to inject pronouns for disambiguation, which can
be disorienting to language learners.
>
Portuguese does, digo eu.
>
Irish is intermediate in this respect. First person pronouns are rarely
needed, because the verb endings are distinctive. In second and third
person the verb endings don't help, so pronouns are essential.
>
I imagine there was a time long ago when it was a pro-drop language, but
then gradually the verb endings were eroded down into a simpler system.
>
In the Germanic languages, including English, the erosion has gone a lot
further.

Et le français aussi.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Date Sujet#  Auteur
2 Sep 24 * Re: Somewheres39Peter Moylan
2 Sep 24 +* Re: Somewheres5Bertel Lund Hansen
2 Sep 24 i`* Re: Somewheres4Adam Funk
2 Sep 24 i `* Re: Somewheres3Bertel Lund Hansen
3 Sep 24 i  `* Re: Somewheres2Adam Funk
3 Sep 24 i   `- Re: Somewheres1Bertel Lund Hansen
2 Sep 24 +* Re: Somewheres3Adam Funk
2 Sep 24 i`* Re: Somewheres2Bertel Lund Hansen
3 Sep 24 i `- Re: Somewheres1Adam Funk
2 Sep 24 +* Re: Somewheres19Christian Weisgerber
2 Sep 24 i`* Re: Somewheres18jerryfriedman
2 Sep 24 i +* Re: Somewheres14jerryfriedman
4 Sep 24 i i`* Re: Somewheres13Christian Weisgerber
4 Sep 24 i i +* Re: Somewheres7Sergio Gatti
5 Sep 24 i i i`* Re: Somewheres6Christian Weisgerber
6 Sep 24 i i i `* Re: Somewheres5Sergio Gatti
14 Sep 24 i i i  `* Re: Somewheres4Christian Weisgerber
22 Sep 24 i i i   `* Re: Somewheres3Ruud Harmsen
23 Sep 24 i i i    `* Re: Somewheres2Peter Moylan
24 Sep 24 i i i     `- Re: Somewheres1Ruud Harmsen
5 Sep 24 i i `* Re: Somewheres5Bertel Lund Hansen
5 Sep 24 i i  +- Re: Somewheres1Aidan Kehoe
5 Sep 24 i i  `* Re: Somewheres3Helmut Richter
5 Sep 24 i i   `* Re: Somewheres2Bertel Lund Hansen
5 Sep 24 i i    `- Re: Somewheres1Helmut Richter
4 Sep 24 i `* Re: Somewheres3Christian Weisgerber
5 Sep 24 i  `* Re: Somewheres2jerryfriedman
14 Sep 24 i   `- Re: Somewheres1Christian Weisgerber
2 Sep 24 +* Re: Somewheres4Christian Weisgerber
3 Sep 24 i+- Re: Somewheres1Silvano
4 Sep 24 i`* Re: Somewheres2Christian Weisgerber
5 Sep 24 i `- Re: Somewheres1Snidely
3 Sep 24 `* Re: Somewheres7Bertel Lund Hansen
3 Sep 24  `* Re: Somewheres6Helmut Richter
3 Sep 24   `* Re: Somewheres5Bertel Lund Hansen
3 Sep 24    `* Re: Somewheres4J. J. Lodder
4 Sep 24     `* Re: Somewheres3Bertel Lund Hansen
5 Sep 24      `* Re: Somewheres2Adam Funk
5 Sep 24       `- Re: Somewheres1Bertel Lund Hansen

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