Re: OT: Converting miles/km

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De : nospam (at) *nospam* de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
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Date : 25. Sep 2024, 22:46:42
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Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> wrote:

On 9/19/2024 5:12 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this.  I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
 
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers.  The conversion
factor is... uh...  A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip:  Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
 
WHAT?
 
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers.  It's accurate to four digits.
 
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
 
I think that's hysterical.
 
 
 
After glancing at the discussion that follows this post, I thought it
appropriate to point out the book "Dimensional Analysis" New Haven: Yale
University Press (1922) by the Nobel Prize winning physicist Percy
Williams Bridgman.

He didn't win the nobel for this book.
(or for his peculiar philosophy of sciece)
It is one of those books that many know exists,
but few will actually have seen it, let alone read any of it.
(don't worry, no loss)
You will need a good old university library to find it,
or you may find a very rare antiquarian copy,
or an almost as rare and by now also antiquarian reprint.

It essentially describes and defines physical
dimensions such as distance, speed, energy, force, etc. as well as units
that are defined within a dimension such as meters, feet, and microns as
distances. It shows that dimensions MUST match on both sides of an
equation and, if not, there must be multiplicative constants that have
appropriate dimensions to restore balance. You may define base
dimensions and the others in terms of the base. For example, length,
mass, and time to do mechanics.

All completely trivial.
What's more, the subject matter has been almost completely forgotten.
All that remains is elementary high school knowledge
of the -conventional- systems of dimensions
that is nowadays associated with the SI.
Few people even know anymore that other systems of dimensions
are possible.
The misconception that a 'dimension' is somehow a property
of a physical quantity is shared nearly universally.

Within an equation, you must use the same units everyplace for
quantities in a specific dimension or dimensionless units of conversion
such as 12 inches per foot. It even shows how to determine when physics
equations express nonsense because of unit disparity or non matching
dimensions.

You may crash Mars landers through non-matching units,
never by non-matching dimensions.

The cherry on the cake is discovery of new physical laws via
dimensional analysis.

Not really. At best it allows you to guess at the form.
The book codifies the obvious.
Dimensional analysis was already well known and understood
through the works of the 19th century greats, such as Kelvin
and Rayleigh.
The use of the so called 'dimensionless numbers',
such as Reynolds', or Froude's number was already well established.

If you can obtain access to a copy of this book, I recommend taking a
spin through it.

A waste of time and perhaps also money, if you don't mind me saying so.

A hundred years ago it was novel and educated some very
bright individuals who hadn't quite caught on to what your current
discussion is all about. It wasn't all that obvious way back when. Of
course it was as soon as the subject was systematically presented.

Already then, Bridgman was belabouring the obvious,

Jan


Date Sujet#  Auteur
20 Sep 24 * OT: Converting miles/km95Christian Weisgerber
20 Sep 24 +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km3Aidan Kehoe
20 Sep 24 i+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Garrett Wollman
21 Sep 24 i`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Steve Hayes
20 Sep 24 +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km4Hibou
20 Sep 24 i+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Hibou
20 Sep 24 i`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Peter Moylan
20 Sep 24 i `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Hibou
20 Sep 24 +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km8occam
20 Sep 24 i+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km6Bertel Lund Hansen
20 Sep 24 ii+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Hibou
20 Sep 24 ii`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km4occam
20 Sep 24 ii +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
20 Sep 24 ii `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Peter Moylan
21 Sep 24 ii  `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1occam
20 Sep 24 i`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Christian Weisgerber
20 Sep 24 +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km65Helmut Richter
20 Sep 24 i+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km57Bertel Lund Hansen
20 Sep 24 ii+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km42Phil
20 Sep 24 iii+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Silvano
20 Sep 24 iiii`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
20 Sep 24 iii+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Stefan Ram
20 Sep 24 iii+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
21 Sep 24 iii+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Aidan Kehoe
21 Sep 24 iii+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km34Hibou
21 Sep 24 iiii+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km3Bertel Lund Hansen
21 Sep 24 iiiii`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Hibou
21 Sep 24 iiiii `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
21 Sep 24 iiii`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km30Silvano
21 Sep 24 iiii `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km29occam
21 Sep 24 iiii  `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km28Aidan Kehoe
21 Sep 24 iiii   +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km15Silvano
22 Sep 24 iiii   i`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km14Rich Ulrich
22 Sep 24 iiii   i `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km13Janet
22 Sep 24 iiii   i  +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
22 Sep 24 iiii   i  +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km6occam
22 Sep 24 iiii   i  i+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Silvano
22 Sep 24 iiii   i  ii`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Janet
23 Sep 24 iiii   i  i`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km3lar3ryca
23 Sep 24 iiii   i  i `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Bertel Lund Hansen
23 Sep 24 iiii   i  i  `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Peter Moylan
23 Sep 24 iiii   i  `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km5Peter Moylan
23 Sep 24 iiii   i   +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
23 Sep 24 iiii   i   +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1occam
23 Sep 24 iiii   i   +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Janet
24 Sep 24 iiii   i   `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Snidely
22 Sep 24 iiii   `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km12Hibou
22 Sep 24 iiii    +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Hibou
22 Sep 24 iiii    i`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Aidan Kehoe
22 Sep 24 iiii    `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km9Aidan Kehoe
22 Sep 24 iiii     +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km5Peter Moylan
22 Sep 24 iiii     i+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Snidely
22 Sep 24 iiii     i+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Aidan Kehoe
3 Oct 24 iiii     ii`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Aidan Kehoe
22 Sep 24 iiii     i`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
22 Sep 24 iiii     +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Bertel Lund Hansen
22 Sep 24 iiii     i`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Janet
22 Sep 24 iiii     `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Aidan Kehoe
21 Sep 24 iii`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Phil
21 Sep 24 iii `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
23 Sep 24 ii+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km10lar3ryca
23 Sep 24 iii`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km9Bertel Lund Hansen
23 Sep 24 iii +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Peter Moylan
24 Sep 24 iii `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km7lar3ryca
24 Sep 24 iii  +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Kerr-Mudd, John
24 Sep 24 iii  +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2J. J. Lodder
25 Sep 24 iii  i`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1lar3ryca
25 Sep 24 iii  `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km3Bertel Lund Hansen
25 Sep 24 iii   `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2charles
25 Sep 24 iii    `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1J. J. Lodder
25 Sep 24 ii`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km4Phil
26 Sep 24 ii `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km3Kerr-Mudd, John
26 Sep 24 ii  `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Bertel Lund Hansen
27 Sep 24 ii   `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Snidely
20 Sep 24 i+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km4Peter Moylan
22 Sep 24 ii`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km3J. J. Lodder
23 Sep 24 ii `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Peter Moylan
28 Sep 24 ii  `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1J. J. Lodder
20 Sep 24 i+- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1J. J. Lodder
20 Sep 24 i`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Christian Weisgerber
23 Sep 24 i `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1J. J. Lodder
20 Sep 24 +- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1jerryfriedman
22 Sep 24 +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km9kami
22 Sep 24 i`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km8Snidely
22 Sep 24 i `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km7kami
22 Sep 24 i  +* Re: OT: Converting miles/km5Snidely
22 Sep 24 i  i+* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Kerr-Mudd, John
22 Sep 24 i  ii`- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
22 Sep 24 i  i`* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Phil
22 Sep 24 i  i `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Snidely
22 Sep 24 i  `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1Bertel Lund Hansen
25 Sep 24 `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km4Jeff Barnett
25 Sep 24  `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km3J. J. Lodder
26 Sep 24   `* Re: OT: Converting miles/km2Jeff Barnett
26 Sep 24    `- Re: OT: Converting miles/km1J. J. Lodder

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