Re: Galveston

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Sujet : Re: Galveston
De : benlizro (at) *nospam* ihug.co.nz (Ross Clark)
Groupes : sci.lang
Date : 21. Mar 2025, 21:46:53
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On 22/03/2025 1:22 a.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhKZLhxFFUY
Galveston (Remastered 2001), by Glen Campbell
 In American English, Galveston apparently rhymes with "gun" and
"twenty-one". This seems quite weird from my perspective, and I
suppose from a British English perspective.
 (Peter T Daniels would certainly post an angry reaction to this, if he
were still here, ha ha.)
 
Here's how the phonemic analysis of AmEng that I was taught many years ago treats this:
The vowel of the -ton syllable is [ə]; it occurs only unstressed.
It's in complementary distribution with the phonetically similar [ʌ] in "gun" and "one", which occurs only stressed.
So the two are allophones of one phoneme.
(In the current pronunciation regime of OED, all three of these vowels are written as <ə>.*)
In the peculiar situation of setting words to a tune, if the -ton ends up on an accented note, it should be sung with [ʌ], and will rhyme perfectly with "gun" and "one".
(Something like this came up a few years ago in connection with a song in praise of the state of Oregon, where the singer had to find an accented vowel for the final syllable, which is normally [ə].)
*"Galveston" is not in OED, but I took this from "Boston" (a card game and a dance).

Date Sujet#  Auteur
21 Mar 25 * Galveston23Ruud Harmsen
21 Mar 25 +* Re: Galveston2Christian Weisgerber
22 Mar 25 i`- Re: Galveston1Ruud Harmsen
21 Mar 25 `* Re: Galveston20Ross Clark
22 Mar 25  `* Re: Galveston19Ruud Harmsen
22 Mar 25   +* Re: Galveston2Ross Clark
22 Mar 25   i`- Re: Galveston1Ruud Harmsen
22 Mar 25   +* Re: Galveston7Christian Weisgerber
23 Mar 25   i`* Re: Galveston6Ruud Harmsen
24 Mar 25   i +* Re: Galveston3Christian Weisgerber
2 Apr 25   i i`* Re: Galveston2Ruud Harmsen
3 Apr 25   i i `- Re: Galveston1Ross Clark
25 Mar 25   i `* Re: Galveston2Ross Clark
26 Mar 25   i  `- Re: Galveston1Athel Cornish-Bowden
24 Mar 25   `* Re: Galveston9Christian Weisgerber
24 Mar 25    +* Re: Galveston7Athel Cornish-Bowden
25 Mar 25    i+- Re: Galveston1Ruud Harmsen
25 Mar 25    i`* Re: Galveston5Christian Weisgerber
26 Mar 25    i `* Re: Galveston4Athel Cornish-Bowden
26 Mar 25    i  `* Re: Galveston3Christian Weisgerber
27 Mar 25    i   +- Re: Galveston1Ruud Harmsen
27 Mar 25    i   `- Re: Galveston1Ruud Harmsen
24 Mar 25    `- Re: Galveston1Ruud Harmsen

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