On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 0:18:41 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:34:38 +0000, Wilk Dockery wrote:
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 4:49:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 5:47:00 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
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On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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Since MMP is trying to disrupt his psychoanalysis by attempting to
change the subject to whatever he can think of, and since I don't want
to let his attempts pass without comment, I'm being forced to open new
threads on some of it.
From: https://www.novabbs.com/arts/post.php?id=255645
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On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:42:11 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 5:55:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
It seems that Senetto took the lead in attempting to drive Stephan
Pickering from the newsgroup though, but that may have been fueled by
Senetto's obvious Antisemitism.
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Thanks for reminding me. It was actually MMP who did that by bringing
NAMBLA to the group. That triggered Jim, just the way MFH triggered him
after he was told that it was really about child molesting.
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Why do you lie so much, George?
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Why do you project so much, MMP? (That's a rhetorical question. As noted
in
your psychoanalysis, you are playing the preemption game you learned
from
Peter J. Ross.)
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(That's a rhetorical question, as you've already intimated that your
pathological lying stems from you having been abused as a child.)
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No, Lying Michael: I have never said, or even "intimated" (!) that I was
pathological, lying, or
"abused as a child".
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As usual, Michael Pendragon Jud makes his lies and misrepresentations up
as he goes along.
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I don't know why you're always repeating this line, Donkey... but if
you're attempting to compare me to Indiana Jones, I am delighted to
accept the compliment.
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When Pickles joined the group, he simply posted ongoing entries in a
proposed bibliography of some Magnum Opus he had been working on for
years. To the best of my recollection, this tome-in-progress was an
attempt to tie all of literature, culture, and history together via
Jewish themes explored in Bob Dylan songs.
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That's actually how I met Stephan Pickering, I bought one of his early
books exploring the connections between the Kabbalah and Bob Dylan
songs.
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This led to many years of correspondence, which my brother David later
continued via snail mail.
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Finding connections between Kabbalah and a Jewish man's song lyrics
seems about as difficult of finding Christian connections in the poems
of a Catholic.
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I doubt that you've actually read Joseph Campbell, but you may have
watched one or more of his Power of Myth episodes on PBS. If so, you
might have some primitive understanding of the interrelatedness of myths
from various cultures and eras, and maybe... just maybe... realize that
these myths (or archetypes) are often expressed through works of art.
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That BD would employ Kabbalistic themes is practically a given.
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Stephan Pickering's magnum opus in which he attempts to relate all of
the
material universe (right down to fractals) to BD songs
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It definitely sounded interesting, too bad it's probably lost now.
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Pick's magnum opus never got beyond the bibliography stage. Pick was
just copy-pasting quotes that in some way reminded him of BD lyrics.
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He never actually *wrote* anything about them.
You're wrong.
I've read a couple of Stephan Pickering's books on Bob Dylan, really in
depth work.
In fact this is how I met Stephan Pickering back in 1974, when I
ordered one of his books from an ad on Creem Magazine, which also
started our correspondence of many years m
Anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject can appear to have
"gone off the deep end" to someone who knows nothing of the subject.
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As Michael Pendragon demonstrates below.
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On Bob Dyaln? I know enough to cover my ears whenever one of his
records comes on.
I remember that.
😏
Exactly.
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Stephan Pickering definitely knew his subject matter.
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his theory which elevated BD to the
position of YHWH, or God.
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That isn't really what happened.
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Since he never got around to actually stating what his theory was
Going back to the first book Pickering sent me, he was connecting Bob
Dylan songs to the Kabbalah.
we'll
never know for sure.
Actually the archives will show, as Pickering explained it a few times.
However, based on the data dump of material he
posted from his bibliography, I'm betting it's pretty close.
Not really.
And he rode around on a bicycle
Not unusual for Oregon I'm told
mummified cat in his basket
Lie and misrepresent much, Pendragon?
and a small filing cabinet dragging from the
rear fender.
This part I can believe, as I've seen people traveling around with set
ups like that
his imaginary wife and children,
Not true, his late wife actually enjoyed my poetry.
Faline's spirit who was in contact with him from the Beyond,
You don't believe in ghosts?
his story
that he draft dodged the Vietnam war by skipping to Canada and Israel
(when he had actually checked himself into a mental institution after
having been caught stealing from Forrest Ackerman...)
This part of his story was complicated, I never did quite get Ll the
details straight.
All basically true but filled with Michael Pendragon lies and
misrepresentations.
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I don't see how one can represent it in a more positive light
Okay, you basically covered it well, with just a few corrections from
the.
Stephan Pickering was:
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Jewish. He
self-converted
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And Dr David Scheimmer verified the document.
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Stephan Pickering was a converted Jew, which is valid
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His "Shtar" was nothing more than a letter from some phony Rabbi
Scheimmer says it looks legitimate.
founded his own bizarre offshoot of Judaism.
Another "California religion" I take it
Neither this Rabbi, or his
hippy-dippy branch of "Judaism" was accepted by the Conservative or
Orthodox community. Even the Reform Jews looked askance at it.
Still doesn't make it not legitimate.
The Jews gave Jesus the stink eye as well.
His self-conversion would not have been accepted by anyone outside of
the Sun Myung Moon, Jim Jones, Charles Manson set.
Again, Scheimmer said it looks legitimate.
I attempted to engage Pickering in several conversations regarding his
posts, but he either ignored them, or spat back some angry, and
impolite, remarks.
You two were in the middle of a flame war, what did you expect?
Similarly anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject cannot be
expected to appreciate having a total ignoramus on the subject trying to
explain it to him. So while I don't condone his impoliteness, I can
fully understand it.
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You nailed it.
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There is a world of difference between scholarship, and monomaniacal
obsession.
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Since you're not stranger to obsession I suppose you're speaking from
personal experience, Pendragon.
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Even I've never carried my pet obsessions even 1/4 so far.
That would be for a qualified observer to decide.
Since I didn't relish the idea of getting into a
flamewar with another nutjob
You and Senetto seemed to think it wouldn't take much to run Stephan
Pickering off, though, so you went for it.
(he reminded me of the 50s group's nutter,
"PhillyGuy"),
I'm not familiar with him.
I do know that everyone on the 1950s music newsgroup seems to hate you.
Why is that, Pendragon/Scarlotti?
I took to ignoring his posts. Since he only posted once
or twice a week, ignoring him required little to no effort.
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Is this why you left the 1950s newsgroup?
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I left it because I had gotten all I could from it.
And all the regulars there hate you.
😏
I had learned more than enough historical information to write my music
book, and wanted to get started on it.
Bruce and Diane still go ballistic at the mention of your name.
What really happened on the 1950s music newsgroup?
Usenet groups are a huge time-suck. Just look at the number of posts
we're wasting our time on here. This is why I'll be leaving again soon.
Good riddance, of course.
You handled that well, IMO. "Skip and ignore" the posts and posters
you don't like; as long as they stay out of your face, everyone wins.
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Definitely a good policy.
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Unfortunately, skip and ignore doesn't work
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It works if you stick with it
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No,
Yes it does.
it doesn't.
I don't agree.
I skipped and ignored this > group entirely for
over a year, and came back to find it as cluttered with your
Oh, I'll be posting here for as long as I'm able.
If you don't like that then perhaps you're better off moving along.
At some point Jim and Pickering got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.
Yes, Senetto almost seems to have a grudge against Allen Ginsberg.
Jealousy?
don't recall who started it.
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Senetto at that point was attacking everything Pickering was posting.
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And Pickles was attacking everything Jim posted.
Yes it was an all out flame war by that point.
Of course Pickles was defending a NAMBLA member who had sex underaged
boys (Ginsberg)
Again, that's a lie and a misrepresentation.
Allen Ginsberg was never known to have sex with anyone younger than
18-19 and that was just one young guy who was in love with Allen
Ginsberg.
This was all posted and archived here a dozen times in 2017-18.
<Snipped out of context misrepresentations and lies about Stephan
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Jim Senetto's homophobia and Antisemitism was the cause, basically.
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Jim Senetto was constantly making anti gay remarks to Pickering, Zod,
even me.
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You really don't understand what words like anti-gay homophobic mean.
Jim made gay jokes about you for the same reasons that I did: your own
homophobia caused you to launch into a hissyfit on the topic.
No, I simply corrected the lies and misrepresentations and set the
record straight, and will continue to.
Homophobia was your Michael Cooke of 2018
The name is Michael Cook, no e at the end.
He also joined in the jeering of 'fake Jew" against Stephan Pickering.
Autocorrect typo fixed.
Jeering not meeting.
if someone is going to cry "Antisemite!" each time
you say anything about him, it's certainly reasonable to point out that
he isn't even Jewish.
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Again, Pickles claims of being Jewish were a joke. He wanted to be like
Bob Dylan, but he didn't want to take the time to study with a Rabbi, or
to undergo a circumcision (who does?). So he bought himself a yarmulke
and proclaimed himself a Jew.
People do concert.
My late friend Dan Barfield converted to becoming a Jew when he married
his first wife Judy, at the request of her parents, for example.
Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into
flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a
Pickering
troll.
George Dance nailed it ^^^
Nancy Gene obsessively stalked Stephan Pickering here from the Bob Dylan
newsgroup and began attacking Pickering here.
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No one has ever denied that. NancyGene obviously didn't like the man.
Or that Nancy Gene stalked Stephan Pickering here to continue her troll
attacks.
where
they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan.
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That's really the only interest Nancy Gene had at the time, stalking and
attacking Stephan Pickering.
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That was almost 10 years ago
I'm fine with that.
Let's move on.
result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in
JIm
flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned
against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor Stephan realized that you were
manipulating them for that outcome.
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Pendragon sure had the feeble minded Jim Senetto in his control.
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Jim isn't here
Good riddance.
Unfortunately, that's exactly what Pendragon's agenda turned out to be.
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By the time Google Groups went under last year that's all Pendragon wS
doing, posting his malicious lies and misrepresentations.
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No... when Google Groups went under, I was busy reestablishing AAPC
alt.arts.pietry.comments is a Usenet newsgroup, not a Facebook group.
HERE is where a.a.p.c. is and will remain.
The proof of one's agenda is in what one d
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And you've shown yourself to be a sleazy malicious troll for almost a
decade now, Pendragon.
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No... created an online community
Good for you.
Go there.
😏
I don't think that's anyone's idea of a "sleazy malicious troll."
We can show them the Usenet newsgroup archives.
So what really happened at the 1950s newsgroup for the other regulars to
drive you away so permanently?
What have you done for AAPC?
Just reading and posting poetry, which is all that's needed or expected.
Let us now turn to Matthew 7:16-20
(King James Version):
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16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
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17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree
bringeth forth evil fruit.
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18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
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19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast
into the fire.
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20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Shall we compare fruits?
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I've never been a fan of Michael Pendragon poetry, sorry.
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Thank God!
Agreed.
😏
I am publishing an AAPC poetry journal featuring award-winning poets.
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Can you say vanity press?
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A vanity press charges a "reading" or "submission" fee.
Do you pay in contributors copies?
After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on
and
off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group
with
a nasty, libellous document that NG had written.
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Oh yes, the last resort, flood the newsgroup with your lies and
misrepresentations.
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There was no such "libellous[sic]" document
George Dance saw it differently.
"There is no 'fact' of 'statutory rape'. 'Morality' -- like
'gnosticism', 'god', haKodesh Barukh hu, 'mysticism' -- are NOT
definable, and for you to keep transposing your stultifying
proto-fascism onto others is not accepted by me."
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"The 'incest taboo' cannot be predicated on known biology, but is a
human sociopolitical category."
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"Shalom & Erev tov, everyone...PaederastDeSock knows nothing of the
mother of my 2 children now in Yisra'el. Neither does NaziQueene whose
psychopathy is documented here. He is attempting to equate '14' with
immaturity, or infancy. This is how he mangles reality. They were adults
in the eyes of halakhah...which FakeJewMikey is decidedly not."
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Grim times for the poetry newsgroup indeed.
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Pick didn't belong here.
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There's no guidelines on who we "allow" to be here.
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Stephan Pickering knew poetry and made many good poetry posts.
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Wrong
I don't agree.
The only poetry he posted here
Pretty good poetry, as I recall.
The only poems he "wrote" were
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Not true, Stephan Pickering has written some interesting poems over the
years.
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Wrong.
I don't agree.
A.A. Milne wrote some interesting tales about "The House a Pooh
Corner" which Pickles plagiarized by sticking a "Kosher" in front of
Piglet's name and claiming as his own on the grounds of "creative
adaption."
That was an interesting work actually.
The third thing you did, a month or so of that, when Jim and Stephan
were thoroughly
engaged with each other, you went deep diving outside the group for
information on NAMBLA, and found a quotation from Allan Ginsberg
("I have never had sex with anyone under 15"
The youngest sex partner Allen Ginsberg is known to have was the 18-19
year old man
And later it turns out the youngest sex partner Allen Ginsberg is known
to have was an 18-19 year old man.
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14.
No, he was 18 and then turned 19.
It depends on the source.
There's an interview with the fellow, I don't remember his name right
now.
I have to walk my dog for a while.
(To be Continued)
posting here, calling Ginsberg a "pedophile" (or predator);
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Which, from the evidence, wasn't true, as shown above.
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and then
when others objected to that (like Stephan, Will, or myself), you began
calling those people "pedophiles" as well.
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That's when the bullshit from Pendragon began to get heavy.
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Most likely Jim had condemned Ginsberg as
a child molester
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Which wasn't actually true, by all evidence.
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Ginsberg was a supporter and member of the North American Man/Boy Love
Association (NAMBLA), a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization
in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws and
legalize sexual relations between adults and children.[124][citation
needed] Saying that he joined the organization "in defense of free
speech",[125] Ginsberg stated: "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics,
witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ...
I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too—everybody does, who has a
little humanity".[126] In 1994, Ginsberg appeared in a documentary on
NAMBLA called Chicken Hawk: Men Who Love Boys (playing on the gay male
slang term 'chickenhawk'), in which he read a "graphic ode to
youth".[124] He read his poem "Sweet Boy, Gimme Yr Ass" from the book
Mind Breaths.[127]
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In her 2002 book Heartbreak, Andrea Dworkin claimed Ginsberg had
ulterior motives for allying with NAMBLA:
In 1982, newspapers reported in huge headlines that the Supreme Court
had ruled child pornography illegal. I was thrilled. I knew Allen would
not be. I did think he was a civil libertarian. But, in fact, he was a
pedophile. He did not belong to the North American Man/Boy Love
Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to
be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me,
not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about
his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage
boys.[128]
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and Pickering (who worshipped Ginsberg) spazzed.
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That is a fair summary of what I just said, though you left out that you
(and Jim)
were calling Stephan a child molester as well. No one appreciates being
called names like that by cowardly trolls on the internet.
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Again, I remember that.
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At that point Pendragon and Senetto were trying any dirty trick to drive
Stephan Pickering away from this newsgroup.
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And so it goes.
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Pickles claimed to have deflowered two 14-year old girls.
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Whether he actually did so is unknown, as he has been unequivocally
shown to be a pathological liar.
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Nevertheless, according to his own admission, he was a child molester
and statutory rapist.
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(To be considered)
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