Re: Retronym?

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Sujet : Re: Retronym?
De : tppm (at) *nospam* ca.rr.com (Tim Merrigan)
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Date : 20. Jul 2026, 20:50:46
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On 7/20/2026 7:33 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Good question.  But I've read that, due to several plagues and
famines, by 1453 Constantinople had shrunk into a small town.
If so, the wonder is that the Turks took so long to take over.
 
Theodosian Walls.  The Ottomans had to wait for cannon before they
could take it.
 Then how did the Fourth Crusade successfully sack that city in 1204?
 I'd think that trebuchets could easily deal with those walls.
 
They also thought they were on the same side as the Crusaders.

I'm reminded of the fact that I once sorted my history books by
when they were set.  One was a book on America history.  When
exactly was American history?  Surprisingly, I worked out that on
average, it was during the Reagan administration.  In other words,
the median English-speaking person in what became the United states
lived in the 1980s.  This is true whether or not I include colonial
times.
 
I pretty much sort my history books that way--how else would one do
it?  (Well, I sort geographically, then chronologically.) I put the
overviews at the start of the period they cover.
 So when did the median Roman subject live?  We may not have enough
information to answer that.  And of course it depends on whether or
not you include people whose native language wasn't Latin.
 A more interesting question is when did the median American live, if
you include Native Americans.  The continent has been inhabited for
a rather long time.  And for much of that time it may have been more
heavily inhabited than it was in the 17th century, since by then the
natives had already been ravaged by Old World plagues to which they
had little resistance.  But, again, we have little information.
 Similarly, we know there was a major volcanic eruption in 536, which
greatly harmed Constantinople among other places, but we have no idea
where it was.  Possibly somewhere in North America, but nobody there
was keeping track at the time.  Or possibly in Iceland, but no human
being had yet set foot on that island.
IMHO:  The median of a historical period can only be calculated after the fact.  In fact, often, the end of a historical period can only be calculated after the fact.  For instance we may be living through the end of "The American Experiment", but I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people in 1863 thought that, too.
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