Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes

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Sujet : Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes
De : mitchalsup (at) *nospam* aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
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Date : 10. Apr 2024, 02:28:02
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BGB-Alt wrote:

On 4/9/2024 4:05 PM, MitchAlsup1 wrote:
BGB wrote:
 
Seemingly:
16/32/48 bit instructions, with 32 GPRs, seems likely optimal for code density;
32/64/96 bit instructions, with 64 GPRs, seems likely optimal for performance.
 
Where, 16 GPRs isn't really enough (lots of register spills), and 128 GPRs is wasteful (would likely need lots of monster functions with 250+ local variables to make effective use of this, *, which probably isn't going to happen).
 16 GPRs would be "almost" enough if IP, SP, FP, TLS, GOT were not part of GPRs AND you have good access to constants.
 

On the main ISA's I had tried to generate code for, 16 GPRs was kind of a pain as it resulted in fairly high spill rates.

Though, it would probably be less bad if the compiler was able to use all of the registers at the same time without stepping on itself (such as dealing with register allocation involving scratch registers while also not conflicting with the use of function arguments, ...).

My code generators had typically only used callee save registers for variables in basic blocks which ended in a function call (in my compiler design, both function calls and branches terminating the current basic-block).

On SH, the main way of getting constants (larger than 8 bits) was via PC-relative memory loads, which kinda sucked.

This is slightly less bad on x86-64, since one can use memory operands with most instructions, and the CPU tends to deal fairly well with code that has lots of spill-and-fill. This along with instructions having access to 32-bit immediate values.
Yes, x86 and any architecture (IBM 360, S.E.L. , Interdata, ...) that have
LD-Ops act as if they have 4-6 more registers than they really have. x86
with 16 GPRs acts like a RISC with 20-24 GPRs as does 360. Does not really
take the place of universal constants, but goes a long way.

 The vast majority of leaf functions use less than 16 GPRs, given one has
a SP not part of GPRs {including arguments and return values}. Once one starts placing things like memove(), memset(), sin(), cos(), exp(), log()
in the ISA, it goes up even more.
 

Yeah.

Things like memcpy/memmove/memset/etc, are function calls in cases when not directly transformed into register load/store sequences.
My 66000 does not convert them into LD-ST sequences, MM is a single inst-
ruction.

Did end up with an intermediate "memcpy slide", which can handle medium size memcpy and memset style operations by branching into a slide.
MMs and MSs that do not cross page boundaries are ATOMIC. The entire system
sees only the before or only the after state and nothing in between. This
means one can start (queue up) a SATA disk access without obtaining a lock
to the device--simply because one can fill in all the data of a command in
a single instruction which smells ATOMIC to all interested 3rd parties.

As noted, on a 32 GPR machine, most leaf functions can fit entirely in scratch registers.
Which is why one can blow GPRs for SP, FP, GOT, TLS, ... without getting
totally screwed.

                    On a 64 GPR machine, this percentage is slightly higher (but, not significantly, since there are few leaf functions remaining at this point).

If one had a 16 GPR machine with 6 usable scratch registers, it is a little harder though (as typically these need to cover both any variables used by the function, and any temporaries used, ...). There are a whole lot more leaf functions that exceed a limit of 6 than of 14.
The data back in the R2000-3000 days indicated that 32 GPRs has a 15%+
advantage over a 16 GPRs; while 84 had only a 3% advantage.

But, say, a 32 GPR machine could still do well here.

Note that there are reasons why I don't claim 64 GPRs as a large performance advantage:
On programs like Doom, the difference is small at best.

It mostly effects things like GLQuake in my case, mostly because TKRA-GL has a lot of functions with a large numbers of local variables (some exceeding 100 local variables).

Partly though this is due to code that is highly inlined and unrolled and uses lots of variables tending to perform better in my case (and tightly looping code, with lots of small functions, not so much...).

 
Where, function categories:
   Tiny Leaf:
     Everything fits in scratch registers, no stack frame, no calls.
   Leaf:
     No function calls (either explicit or implicit);
     Will have a stack frame.
   Non-Leaf:
     May call functions, has a stack frame.
 You are forgetting about FP, GOT, TLS, and whatever resources are required
to do try-throw-catch stuff as demanded by the source language.
 

Yeah, possibly true.

In my case:
   There is no frame pointer, as BGBCC doesn't use one;
Can't do PASCAL and other ALOGO derived languages with block structure.

     All stack-frames are fixed size, VLA's and alloca use the heap;
longjump() is at a serious disadvantage here. desctructors are sometimes hard to position on the stack.

   GOT, N/A in my ABI (stuff is GBR relative, but GBR is not a GPR);
   TLS, accessed via TBR.

Try/throw/catch:
   Mostly N/A for leaf functions.

Any function that can "throw", is in effect no longer a leaf function.
Implicitly, any function which uses "variant" or similar is also, no longer a leaf function.
You do realize that there is a set of #define-s that can implement try-throw-catch without requiring any subroutines ?!?

Need for GBR save/restore effectively excludes a function from being tiny-leaf. This may happen, say, if a function accesses global variables and may be called as a function pointer.
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One "TODO" here would be to merge constants with the same "actual" value into the same register. At present, they will be duplicated if the types are sufficiently different (such as integer 0 vs NULL).
In practice, the upper 48-bits of a extern variable is completely shared
whereas the lower 16-bits are unique.

For functions with dynamic assignment, immediate values are more likely to be used. If the code-generator were clever, potentially it could exclude assigning registers to constants which are only used by instructions which can encode them directly as an immediate. Currently, BGBCC is not that clever.
And then there are languages like PL/1 and FORTRAN where the compiler
has to figure out how big an intermediate array is, allocate it, perform
the math, and then deallocate it.

Or, say:
   y=x+31;  //31 only being used here, and fits easily in an Imm9.
Ideally, compiler could realize 31 does not need a register here.

Well, and another weakness is with temporaries that exist as function arguments:
If static assigned, the "target variable directly to argument register" optimization can't be used (it ends up needing to go into a callee-save register and then be MOV'ed into the argument register; otherwise the compiler breaks...).

Though, I guess possible could be that the compiler could try to partition temporaries that are used exclusively as function arguments into a different category from "normal" temporaries (or those whose values may cross a basic-block boundary), and then avoid statically-assigning them (and somehow not cause this to effectively break the full-static-assignment scheme in the process).
Brian's compiler finds the largest argument list and the largest return
value list and merges them into a single area on the stack used only
for passing arguments and results across the call interface. And the
<static> SP points at this area.

Though, IIRC, I had also considered the possibility of a temporary "virtual assignment", allowing the argument value to be temporarily assigned to a function argument register, then going "poof" and disappearing when the function is called. Hadn't yet thought of a good way to add this logic to the register allocator though.

But, yeah, compiler stuff is really fiddly...
More orthogonality helps.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
3 Apr 24 * "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes81Stephen Fuld
3 Apr 24 +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes8Anton Ertl
15 Apr 24 i+* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes6MitchAlsup1
15 Apr 24 ii`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes5Terje Mathisen
15 Apr 24 ii +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1Terje Mathisen
15 Apr 24 ii `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3MitchAlsup1
16 Apr 24 ii  `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2Terje Mathisen
16 Apr 24 ii   `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1MitchAlsup1
17 Apr 24 i`- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1Stephen Fuld
3 Apr 24 +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3Thomas Koenig
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4 Apr 24 ii+* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes7Terje Mathisen
4 Apr 24 iii+* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3Michael S
4 Apr 24 iiii`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2Terje Mathisen
4 Apr 24 iiii `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1Michael S
5 Apr 24 iii`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3BGB-Alt
5 Apr 24 iii `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2MitchAlsup1
5 Apr 24 iii  `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1BGB
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5 Apr 24 i`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes52MitchAlsup1
7 Apr 24 i `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes51John Savard
7 Apr 24 i  +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes6MitchAlsup1
8 Apr 24 i  i`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes5John Savard
8 Apr 24 i  i +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2Thomas Koenig
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8 Apr 24 i  i `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2MitchAlsup1
17 Apr 24 i  i  `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1John Savard
7 Apr 24 i  `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes44Thomas Koenig
7 Apr 24 i   `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes43MitchAlsup1
8 Apr 24 i    `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes42Thomas Koenig
8 Apr 24 i     +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1Anton Ertl
9 Apr 24 i     `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes40Thomas Koenig
9 Apr 24 i      +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes38BGB
9 Apr 24 i      i`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes37MitchAlsup1
10 Apr 24 i      i `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes36BGB-Alt
10 Apr 24 i      i  +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes31MitchAlsup1
10 Apr 24 i      i  i+* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes23BGB
10 Apr 24 i      i  ii`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes22MitchAlsup1
10 Apr 24 i      i  ii +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3BGB-Alt
10 Apr 24 i      i  ii i`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2MitchAlsup1
11 Apr 24 i      i  ii i `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1BGB
10 Apr 24 i      i  ii +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1BGB-Alt
11 Apr 24 i      i  ii +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes16MitchAlsup1
11 Apr 24 i      i  ii i`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes15Michael S
11 Apr 24 i      i  ii i `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes14BGB
11 Apr 24 i      i  ii i  `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes13MitchAlsup1
11 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes9BGB-Alt
12 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes8MitchAlsup1
12 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes7BGB
12 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i  `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes6MitchAlsup1
12 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i   `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes5BGB
13 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i    +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1MitchAlsup1
13 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i    `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3MitchAlsup1
13 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i     +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1BGB
15 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   i     `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1BGB-Alt
12 Apr 24 i      i  ii i   `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3Michael S
12 Apr 24 i      i  ii i    +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1Michael S
15 Apr 24 i      i  ii i    `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1MitchAlsup1
11 Apr 24 i      i  ii `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1Terje Mathisen
11 Apr 24 i      i  i`* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes7Paul A. Clayton
11 Apr 24 i      i  i +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1BGB
11 Apr 24 i      i  i +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2BGB-Alt
12 Apr 24 i      i  i i`- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1MitchAlsup1
12 Apr 24 i      i  i +* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2MitchAlsup1
21 Apr 24 i      i  i i`- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1Paul A. Clayton
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10 Apr 24 i      i  `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes4Chris M. Thomasson
10 Apr 24 i      i   `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes3BGB
10 Apr 24 i      i    `* Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes2Chris M. Thomasson
10 Apr 24 i      i     `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1BGB-Alt
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15 Apr 24 +- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1MitchAlsup1
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17 Apr 24  `- Re: "Mini" tags to reduce the number of op codes1MitchAlsup1

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