Sujet : Re: base registers, ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360
De : johnl (at) *nospam* taugh.com (John Levine)
Groupes : comp.archDate : 30. Jun 2024, 19:09:02
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According to Stephen Fuld <
SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>:
They would have fared better by assigning a base register (or two,
one for data and one for code) invisible from problem state
and handled by the OS.
>
Precisely! This is what the, roughly contemporary, Univac 1108 did. It
worked will for several decades. ...
So did the PDP-6 (one base register) and the original KA10 (two).
Later PDP-10s added paging, I expect so that they could run Tenex
which was way cooler than TOPS-10.
Yes. John Levine said they thought that changing the, user visible,
base registers would be doable :-(
That's certainly the impression I got from reading the 1964
Architecture article. The addressing design had two competing
criteria: they needed to be able to address megabytes of RAM in large
models, and the addresses in instructions had to be compact so code
would fit on small models with 8K or 16K. So they provided 24 bit
linear addresses, but all instructions used base registers with a 12
bit offset. They say:
[Committing to base registers everywhere] implies that all programs
are location-independent, except for constants used to load the base
registers. Thus, all programs can easily be relocated. This commitment
also implies that the programming support effectively and efficiently
handles the mechanics of base-register use. ...
It's not clear whether they meant relocated when initially loaded, which
worked fine, or relocated later, which did not.
The invisible base registers may require an extra adder in the CPU when
computing addresses, but this is much less overhead than paging
requires.
It worked fine on the PDP-6 built out of transistors in 1963.
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20 Jun 24 | ARM is channeling the IBM 360 | 102 | | John Savard |
20 Jun 24 | Re: ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 95 | | John Levine |
21 Jun 24 | Re: ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 94 | | Lynn Wheeler |
24 Jun 24 | Re: ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 93 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
24 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 90 | | John Levine |
24 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 87 | | Lynn Wheeler |
24 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 82 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
25 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 81 | | John Levine |
25 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 73 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
25 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 72 | | Stephen Fuld |
25 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 64 | | Stephen Fuld |
26 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 63 | | Stephen Fuld |
26 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 62 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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26 Jun 24 | Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 | 56 | | Lawrence D'Oliveiro |
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